Where is the line between a disorder and else?

First of all, I am not a troll. I know people on forums love to accuse someone of being a troll when a controversial topic is presented.I have a philosophical dilemma that I can't solve for myself. At what point should we stop calling it natural and begin calling it a disorder?Not too long ago, someone like me was labeled as socially deviant simply because I'm partnered with another man. Not too long ago, I was partnered with a transgendered person. If this was 50 years ago, he/she would have been hung and burned. So, I'd call it progress that people like us are no longer persecuted by the scientific community. I say that because there are still people who associate my partner and I to pedophilia, and they make sure we hear them when we're around.The dilemma I have is what about body integrity identity disorder? My common sense tells me that it is natural for me to be gay but it is not natural for a person to want to amputate a limb or two. But philosophically and morally who am I to tell them there is something wrong with them?Right now, if I want to be consistent with my principles, I'd have to say that if you want to chop off one of your hands then go right ahead. But this conflicts with my common sense.Wanna help me out of this moral maze? If I don't resolve this issue, my head will explode.

Because without consistency we can make up any bullshit we want. Take a look at the black community. After having struggled for their rights for generations, they have been the most intolerant group towards gay people. Things are getting better, but they as a group continue to lag behind everyone else.

To all, I apologize for having wrongly used the word "natural". It was the first word that came to my mind but it is not the right word to use.Stile assumed what I meant correctly when he said Thank you Stile for clearing it up for me.I accept that there are plenty of things that are natural but we do our darnest to get rid of... like pimples. And I also accept that there are plenty of unnatural things that are good, like my car.The real dilemma I've been having is where do I draw the line between tolerating something and not tolerate it? Because I'm finding that the same arguments I have against not interfering with one's desire to amputate healthy limbs can be used against my own relationship with my partner. That's what bothers me.

Don't make me start posting nonsensical rants with lots of exclamation points and pictures of weird animals.

According to some people who have confronted my partner and I, we are hurting-our families
-our society by advocating the extinction of the human race
-teenage girls because homosexuality leads to teenage pregnancy
-everyone around us because our relationship grosses them out
-ourselves because we'll never have biological children, get aids, etc.Those reasons I listed may sound like they were made with tongue in cheek, but I assure you they were made very seriously by some very serious people.And if you go online to some anti-gay marriage websites, they can give you many many many valid reasons why my relationship with my partner is wrong in light of our society. Who are we to say their arguments are invalid but ours are not?

And there are plenty of people who say there is something seriously wrong with my head for not wanting to be with a woman.

Logically, I can't find a reason to tell someone who wants to amputate a healthy limb because they "feel like it" without that reason coming back to bite me in the ass. But my common sense is screaming at me telling me there's something seriously wrong with that picture.Do you understand me?I don't want to be like black folks. After generations of struggle to gain their rights and place in mainstream society, they are now the most homophobic group of people. They continue to lag behind everyone else when it comes to percentage of acceptance of gay people. I don't want to be like that.But at the same time, my common sense is screaming at me telling me otherwise with regard to people who want to amputate healthy limbs for no reason other than they feel like it.

I don't just fear. I've already been like black folks in this regard.A number of years ago, I met this young man. At the time, he had just come back from a 6 year tour in Iraq and was just trying to find his place in the gay community. I went over and introduced myself to him and we began to see each other. Then we started dating. Then I asked him to move in with me and he agreed.Well, he started telling me that the reason he joined the army was because he didn't know where his place was here back home. He thought he was gay. Well, it turned out that by having a relationship with me he was getting closer to what he was, but not quite. He started dressing in women's clothing and wearing makeup. So, here I was watching my partner transition into the opposite sex. Let just say I wasn't very tolerant.See how that works? Despite the fact that I had been prejudiced against by society at large for all my life, I was just as intolerant of my partner's "condition" (for lack of a better word). Obviously, I still have a lot of feelings for him/her even though we haven't seen each other for years and I'm with someone else now. What about people that are transgendered? They honest to god believe they were born into the wrong body. I used to believe they needed to be treated. After all, the male sex organ on these people were perfectly healthy organs. How was that different than a healthy arm or leg?My turn around with regard to transgendered people have made me question everything.Edited by yenmor, : No reason given.