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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What would the difference be betwen a world in whcih God is present and one in which God is now absent? A world where GOD was absent would not exist.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Straggler Member (Idle past 91 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Why couldn't GOD just kick it off and then let it run without any further involvement or even consideration on his part?
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
A God might but GOD couldn't. Everything we know as this universe or reality is but a subset of GOD.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Straggler Member (Idle past 91 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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Sounds like we are back to some sort of pantheism again.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2976 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Everything we know as this universe or reality is but a subset of GOD. You couldn't possibly know that. I mean, what evidence is there for that? - Oni
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jar Member (Idle past 419 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Of course I can't know that, it is my belief.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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onifre Member (Idle past 2976 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
it is my belief. Oh, ok. Because you wrote that as a very matter of fact point you were trying to make. - Oni
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2959 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
straggler writes:
I don't think I have previously been confronted with the idea that every breath we take requires god's involvement and that an absence of intervention at any moment in time would equate to the end of existence. Is this sort of ultra-intervention idea common amongst theists?How much intervening does god do? Is any intervening necessary at all? How would we define or determine God "doing nothing" as opposed to God doing something? The Roman Catholic church teaches that God is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. That God's providence provides for us. So yes God does act in and control each life. In his book "Thoughts in Solitude" Thomas Merton writes at page 45 when discussing the spiritual life; "It is the silence of our whole being in compunction and adoration before God in the habitual realization that He is everything and we are nothing, that He is the Center to which all things tend, and to Whom all our actions must be directed. That our life and strength proceed from Him, that both in life and in death we depend entirely on Him, that the whole course of our life is foreknown by Him and falls into the plan of His wise and merciful Providence;..."
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 8.7 |
So yes God does act in and control each life.
God controlling each life eliminates that whole "free will" thing.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Shadow71 writes: In his book "Thoughts in Solitude" Thomas Merton writes at page 45 when discussing the spiritual life; "It is the silence of our whole being in compunction and adoration before God in the habitual realization that He is everything and we are nothing, that He is the Center to which all things tend, and to Whom all our actions must be directed. That our life and strength proceed from Him, that both in life and in death we depend entirely on Him, that the whole course of our life is foreknown by Him and falls into the plan of His wise and merciful Providence;..." And in his book "Thoughts on Peculiar Religious Drivel" Tangle writes on page 1, "what Thomas Merton says is all bollox". So the situation is finely balanced.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2959 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
DrJones writes:
God controlling each life eliminates that whole "free will" thing That is an interesting point. Could it be that we can reject God's will by the use of our free will?
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2959 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
tangle writes:
And in his book "Thoughts on Peculiar Religious Drivel" Tangle writes on page 1, "what Thomas Merton says is all bollox". So the situation is finely balanced. Would like to read that book. Have you ever read Merton?
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 8.7 |
That is an interesting point. Could it be that we can reject God's will by the use of our free will?
Kind of makes him pretty weak if us mere mortals can override his will.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Could it be that we can reject God's will by the use of our free will? No. It is God's will that you have choices. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2959 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
DrJones writes:
Kind of makes him pretty weak if us mere mortals can override his will. Not if that is the way, in his love, he created mortals. Giving them the free will to accept him or to reject him. Of course the consequences are quite devastating, but, humanity seems unwilling to accept God. Hubris.
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