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NoNukes
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Message 15 of 117 (705152)
08-23-2013 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Percy
08-23-2013 3:00 PM


Re: Listing the Issues
Here is an article about correlations between health and regular religious service attendance.
We can’t find the page you are looking for.
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A professor of preventive medicine at Chicago's Rush University Medical Center, Dr. Powell was a nonchurch-goer who was very suspicious of such studies. Then in 2001, the National Institutes of Health asked her to lead a three-scientist panel that would review the mounting pile of medical literature purporting to link religion to health.
The panel found scant evidence of the benefit of religion on illness, and found that patients who used religion to cope fared slightly worse than those who didn't.
But the panel's examination of studies showing the effect of church attendance on health reached an altogether different conclusion. As Dr. Powell, who is continuing to research this issue, puts it: "After seeing the data, I think I should go to church."
It is well known that participation within a social group is correlated with better health and mental well-being, but atheists have social groups, too. EvC Forum is one.
EvC is a social group for atheists?
Even if the claim were true, is it evidence for God?
The article I linked to would not suggest that. Apparently, the object of worship is irrelevant.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 17 of 117 (705166)
08-23-2013 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Dr Adequate
08-23-2013 3:42 PM


Re: Listing the Issues
There's obviously going to be a statistical correlation between being physically able and participating in any leisure activity that requires one to get out of one's chair.
That is true. But to be completely fair, the article does acknowledge that people who attend church services regularly exclude people who are sick and shut-in. The article also acknowledges that there is no gain from watching religious services on TV.
ABE:
The article also acknowledges a frustration mortality effect that might occur when prayer and fasting do not produce the expected results. I have seen this effect first-hand.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 27 of 117 (705288)
08-25-2013 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by marc9000
08-25-2013 8:31 PM


Re: Listing the Issues
I live in the outskirts of Cincinnati, Ohio. Lots of ghettos on both sides of the river, FILLED with people with no religious background, no education, and very little income.
I think your method of gathering information on religious background is highly flawed. I'm very familiar with the poor areas of Atlanta, and my experience is that religious affiliation is very high in those areas of town. Your impression does not appear to be based on anything factual. I have no idea how you would form that opinions about the religious backgrounds of people in ghettos other than by making naked, uninformed assumptions.
Yes, they tend to be poor, and tend to have lower education. But they also tend to be black, a group which in the US has a far higher propensity for religious affiliation than do whites, with black women having the highest propensity.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 81 of 117 (705435)
08-27-2013 4:55 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by marc9000
08-26-2013 6:44 PM


Re: Listing the Issues
The bolded part is what applies to this thread. Since I used my skepticism to further explore the claim that was made, I found that it made a lot of sense in this case.
How can you balance things by reciting complete nonsense? What you are suggesting is that you feel justified in being a complete fraud simply because you want to oppose something you don't want to hear.
And those don't appear to be the words that I criticized. You posted complete and utter nonsense while claiming to know better. You have no idea what the religious backgrounds of the people in the ghettos happen to be.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 93 of 117 (705489)
08-27-2013 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by New Cat's Eye
08-27-2013 1:56 PM


Was I wrong to read "Once X then Y" as saying that X is required for Y?
Once I turn left on D Street, I find myself at my house.
Does that statement imply that turning left on D is the only way to get to my house? Clearly not.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.
Richard P. Feynman
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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