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Whatever. Are you claiming that that wasn't a miracle? You can dream up any nonsense you like, my assertion was that when God notified Noah of his intension to flood the world, then did it, it was a miracle. Do you deny this?

The sea animals were not on the face of the "earth" a term which applied to land only. The list is complete. There is no reason to take the list as being incomplete. Not necessary if the list of dead things is complete.

If you read Leviticus 11, it seems like they are introducing new categories to people who were not aware of such categories:
The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. The hyrax, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you.But you could be right and you do bring up good points. I just feel that its not central to the flood debate, my general point is that we do not know the proportions of predator/prey on the ark. The text does not make that clear.

You are missing the point. That's not a description of a world wide flood. Sea levels can rise without getting the water high enough to get over the tops of mountains as was described in Genesis.And you've already all but admitted the point in a prior message.

I don't mind claiming miracles, but I believe there is enough drama in the geological record of the P-T boundary that reveal a logical progression of events that fit the bible story. It could be a miracle. But I see enough evidence in the geologic record to relate the flooding to actual geologic events that occurred due to natural causes. God often uses natural phenomenon to carry out His wishes.

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If you read Leviticus 11, it seems like they are introducing new categories to people who were not aware of such categories:
The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. The hyrax, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you.

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Of course, if you are assuming that the story is literally true it is entirely possible that the classification was known to Noah but lost afterwards. It does seem to me to make more sense for the dietary restrictions to have some basis other than arbitrary rulings, which would make the classification primary (again, if we assume the literal truth of the stories - which is probably a long way from the actual truth).And again, we have the question of how the Noah story was written and it is entirely likely that the Levitical classification was intended, and that the earliest readers of the text understood it that way.

There is no presented evidence that anything but a few sea water fish can tolerate freshwater. Some specific fish can tolerate ranges of salinity. Most species of salt fish would simply die if put in freshwater. Of course there would be no breeding after that.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Yes I have admitted this. I cannot prove a total flood of biblical proportions, but there is enough evidence of worldwide flooding to contradict the loose claim that a worldwide flood has been disproven by geology.There was worldwide flooding, and until it can be shown that the flooding definitely did NOT reach all areas, this remains a distinct possibility. There has been some debate about the reasons for the mass extinctions and I am generally in agreement that the Siberian traps were the trigger to a series of events that eventually resulted in mass extinctions. I believe the flooding has been detected, but so far the effect of the flooding on the extinctions has been underestimated.Just for your interest, I believe that on the same day that the volcanic activity burst forth (Siberian traps) this triggered the rainfall spike, as volcanic activity often does on the same day as an eruption.

I didn't ask if you minded claiming a miracle, I asked if the flood WAS a miracle. Please give me a straight answer. God predicted the flood before the event so that Noah could build his boat. He then told him a week before the event what was going to happen and when. He uses these words"4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth." I will cause it to rain, I will destroy etcMiracle, yes?

What you say could be true, just for interest sake though it is often thought that these rules are not arbitrary but for health reasons. Even today pork has to be carefully cooked, and certain seafoods are more likely to cause food poisoning. Just a thought, not relevant to this thread.

I really don't know to if, when, or to what extent God intervened in natural processes. I believe observed geology conforms with what happened.Edited by mindspawn, : correcting wording

That is my whole point, that after the flood some fish tolerated decreased salinity. If it can happen today , it could happen back then. Some lakes of saltwater left behind after the flood could have taken many fish generations of fish before becoming brackish, and as the study proves , most marine fish survive brackish water (12 of the 13 species). And some fish do not even need adaptation to survive the transition from brackish to fresh (3 of the 13 in the study). I just don't see a problem, if it can happen today, it could happen then. And selection pressures can add to the adaptablitily over a few generations. Fish survival in both saltwater and freshwater is really not a problem to the flood theory.

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What you say could be true, just for interest sake though it is often thought that these rules are not arbitrary but for health reasons

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If that were true - and my understanding is that it isn't - wouldn't it be equally true before the Flood ? Even if people weren't meant to eat meat then (And let's not forget that the Cain and Abel story calls the whole idea of vegetarianism as a law before the Flood into question)

You may be right, they could have been anticipating this future food source. But its not really relevant to this thread, my main point is we cannot know the actual predator/prey ratio that was on the ark, there isn't enough information.

You're kidding me, you don't even know if God did it?