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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I am interested in what Christians have to say about this.
Why is so much of Christian music so bland and pablum-like?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Right. I was talking about white churches.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Except for the spirituals, all of the music you mention was created some time ago. Some of it, a very very long time ago. This is not what I am talking about. I am talking about contemporary Christian music, of any stripe, minus that to be found in the black churches. I suppose that I am saying that very little great art has come out of contentedness. Art comes from pain and struggle and ecstacy and passion and huge emotions. If Christians are so filled with joy, then why don't their songs sound like "Walkin' on Sunshine" by Katrina and the Waves?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mister Pamboli:
[b] quote: quote: It's OK, I wasn't exactly clear.
[QUOTE]There is some great Christian music being written today - Taverner, Gorecki, MacMillan - but I suspect you mean the "popular" style? I have to agree then - most if it is drivel.[/B][/QUOTE] Yep, I mean popular music. I mean, is Amy Grant all the better it gets? Why is that?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I think it should also be mentioned that a great many of the famous "classical" composers who wrote requiems and passions and other religious works were commissioned to do so by rich patrons. Many great European composers (and painters, for that matter) dealt with religious themes because that's where the money was.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mister Pamboli:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by schrafinator: [b]I think it should also be mentioned that a great many of the famous "classical" composers who wrote requiems and passions and other religious works were commissioned to do so by rich patrons. Many great European composers (and painters, for that matter) dealt with religious themes because that's where the money was. Hmmm don't like that argument. It's like saying Sagan, Dawkins, Gould et al were in it for the money and the fame.[/QUOTE] I'm not speculating why people are "in it". I am saying that the direction their work took was sometimes dictated by what their patrons commissioned. University scientists (once tenured) do not work on commissions and they explore what they wish, more or less. Look at John Mack. Of course there was good money in it - but that doesn't mean there was not also great inspiration. The same applies today - there are very fine musicians indeed, and artists, who make fortunes, but their commitment to their art, as art, need not be lesser for it. [/b][/QUOTE]
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Thanks, jh, I'll check it out. Still, the greater question remains; if being a Christian is so wonderful, why is it so difficult to find good Christian music?
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What, pray tell, do you consider "Evolutionist music??"
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Um, riiiight.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Say, Jonathan, howsabout that thread dealing with reproductive advantage that you abandoned?
There are lots of questions and comments waiting for you.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You would be correct that I do not listen to christian music on a day to day basis. Then again, I do not listen to popular music at all on a day to day basis. I find it bland and boring and corporate. Since the Christian music that I have heard tends to be trying hard to be inoffensive and "nice", I find it boring. I don't think "nice" is always bad, but I don't think every painting in the museum should be of verdant fields and vases of flowers, either. Art isn't always "nice." Some favorites (and I will date myself, I'm sure): Ani DiFrancoGypsy Kings The Police Nirvana Dar Williams Peter Gabriel Miles Davis Django Reinhart The Pixies Shawn Colvin Hun Hur Tu Kate Bush
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Actually, many of the the Founding Fathers were Deists. The idea that our government is Christian in nature is silly. It is based more upon the ideals of the Enlightenment, which are secular, humanist values.
quote: Nope, not true, as stated above. Jefferson, Paine, and Adams, were definitely not Christian. Read more here: Quartz Hill School of Theology
quote: ...and how is that any different from what religious power does in any other theocracy? You seem to forget that the reason the US is "the most free nation on earth" is precisely because it's government is purely secular, with the foundres specifically leaving the matter of religion to the individual.
quote: Excuse me? 1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. That is the first commandment. How is this consistent with religious freedom? Oh, and how are your religious rights being trashed?
quote: This is so wrong. The Founders understood that religion and faith were a private matter and that it was intrusive for a Government to have an official religion. They were not following the Bible, nor were they hoping that people would "chooses Christ". They were following a secular model of government.
quote: And Hindu creation myths, Native American creation myths, and the Epic of Gilgamesh had been around a lot longer than Biblical Creation. What, did you think that the bible was the oldest religious text or something? Take a basic world religion class at the local community college or university. you will learn a lot that you don't know.
quote: Yes, and it was other scientists who "changed" the version of history from demons causing "posessions" to brain damage and disease causing mental illness. Feel free to continue to live in the demon-haunted, ignorant Dark Ages if you like. The rest of us prefer modern medicine and reason over superstition, thank you. I'll put my lot in with the people with the compass. You can stay with the people reading the chicken entrails to scry the future if that's what makes you most comfortable.
quote: I'm sorry, but this is just stupid. Um, Darwin began developing the ToE long before he was even married, let alone a father, long before his daugher's death. The Theory of Evolution is is supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence from diverse scientific fields.
quote: Can you please explain to me what "sin" and "satan" have to do with the change in alelle frequencies in a population over time? What you don't know about Biology is a lot.
quote: No, evolution tells us that alelle frequencies change in populations over time. YOU have decided that the Bible is a science textbook instead of a spiritual guide. Don't blame reason and science for your religious folly.
quote: 1) None of these people used "Godidit" in their work. They used methodological naturalism in their work, just like modern scientists. 2) None of them were alive when the Theory of Evolution was developed, nor had modern Geology discovered the Earth's ancient age.
quote: Bull. They used methodological naturalism, just like any science.
quote: Really? Please explain.
quote: First of all continental drift has nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution. It is a Geologic theory, not one of Biology. Second, YOUNG Earth Creationism rejects continental drift.
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