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Coyote, please read the article again. I already quoted the relevant comments.They refute his regression theory in favor of a transgression. They claim a highstand (high water levels - ie flooding) rather than Newells "lowstand" approach.They do not deny the regression, but show that the timing of extinctions relate to the transgression, not the regression.

If you read Leviticus 11, it seems like they are introducing new categories to people who were not aware of such categories:
The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. The hyrax, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you.But you could be right and you do bring up good points. I just feel that its not central to the flood debate, my general point is that we do not know the proportions of predator/prey on the ark. The text does not make that clear.

I don't mind claiming miracles, but I believe there is enough drama in the geological record of the P-T boundary that reveal a logical progression of events that fit the bible story. It could be a miracle. But I see enough evidence in the geologic record to relate the flooding to actual geologic events that occurred due to natural causes. God often uses natural phenomenon to carry out His wishes.

Yes I have admitted this. I cannot prove a total flood of biblical proportions, but there is enough evidence of worldwide flooding to contradict the loose claim that a worldwide flood has been disproven by geology.There was worldwide flooding, and until it can be shown that the flooding definitely did NOT reach all areas, this remains a distinct possibility. There has been some debate about the reasons for the mass extinctions and I am generally in agreement that the Siberian traps were the trigger to a series of events that eventually resulted in mass extinctions. I believe the flooding has been detected, but so far the effect of the flooding on the extinctions has been underestimated.Just for your interest, I believe that on the same day that the volcanic activity burst forth (Siberian traps) this triggered the rainfall spike, as volcanic activity often does on the same day as an eruption.

What you say could be true, just for interest sake though it is often thought that these rules are not arbitrary but for health reasons. Even today pork has to be carefully cooked, and certain seafoods are more likely to cause food poisoning. Just a thought, not relevant to this thread.

I really don't know to if, when, or to what extent God intervened in natural processes. I believe observed geology conforms with what happened.Edited by mindspawn, : correcting wording

That is my whole point, that after the flood some fish tolerated decreased salinity. If it can happen today , it could happen back then. Some lakes of saltwater left behind after the flood could have taken many fish generations of fish before becoming brackish, and as the study proves , most marine fish survive brackish water (12 of the 13 species). And some fish do not even need adaptation to survive the transition from brackish to fresh (3 of the 13 in the study). I just don't see a problem, if it can happen today, it could happen then. And selection pressures can add to the adaptablitily over a few generations. Fish survival in both saltwater and freshwater is really not a problem to the flood theory.

You may be right, they could have been anticipating this future food source. But its not really relevant to this thread, my main point is we cannot know the actual predator/prey ratio that was on the ark, there isn't enough information.

Maybe you missed post 233? In post 233 I gave the definition of what a "transgression" is, it means a rise in sea levels that result in flooding. Obviously if sea levels rise, this is not a localised flood. Then I posted a link showing that the end Permian is associated with a major transgression. Emphasis on major. This means a major increase in sea levels. Did you read that link, it describes a major sea level rise that contributed towards the mass extinctions:http://studentresearch.wcp.muohio.edu/...inctionsealevel.pdf
"The end Permian mass extinction has long been related to a severe, first order lowstand of sea level Newell, N.D., 1967. Revolutions in the history of life. Geol. w Soc. Am. Spec. Pap. 89, 63—91. based primarily on the widespread absence of latest Permian ammonoid markers, but field x evidence reveals that the interval coincides with a MAJOR TRANSGRESSION."Some quotes from that link:
"In this article, we review in greater depth the possible relationship between mass extinctions and sea-level change"The P-T boundary occurs at the top of the geologic layer that shows sea levels rising:
"The conodont-defined P—Tr boundary occurs within the lower part of the Mazzin Member, TOWARDS THE TOP OF THIS TRANSGRESSIVE SYSTEMS TRACT . Wignall et al., 1996 ."The greatest extinction event the world has ever known, occurs within the sediment from rising sea levels
"Like the Kathwai Dolomite, the evidence for the end Permian mass extinction occurs within the TRANSGRESSIVE RECORD of the TOH"pg 221 THIRD ORDER AND HIGHER SEA LEVEL CHANGES:
"Such outcrop-based studies provide crucial information on the relatively high-frequency third order and higher  sea-level changes in the P—Tr interval.pg 221 The link is claiming short term flooding into the interior of Pangea caused by the sea level rise:
The culmination of the long-term sea-level rise occurred in the Griesbachian when several seaways flooded into the interior of Pangea e.g., in eastern Greenland, western Australia and Madagscar . This inundation was short lived and marine deposition in these areas ceased in the Dienerian.http://www.sciencedirect.com/...article/pii/003101829390068T
"Facies and faunal analysis from Pakistan and China show that the Permo-Triassic mass extinction of marine invertebrate faunas was associated with a spectacularly rapid Griesbachian transgression which lead to the widespread establishment of deep-water anoxic and dysoxic conditions."

Please read my previous post. I think you guys should start reading my links.In addition here is another link that describes a "spectacularly rapid" transgression at the P-T boundary.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/...article/pii/003101829390068T
"Facies and faunal analysis from Pakistan and China show that the Permo-Triassic mass extinction of marine invertebrate faunas was associated with a spectacularly rapid Griesbachian transgression which lead to the widespread establishment of deep-water anoxic and dysoxic conditions."Edited by mindspawn, : No reason given.

You have only the debatable theory of radiometric dating to support your long periods of time. In a compressed timeframe, the fossil record fits in perfectly with the bible.If the bible story is true, humans lived to long ages and generations were lengthy compared to today. The populations were therefore small before the flood. Southern latitudes were highly dangerous for fauna, major extinctions were occurring there during the onset of the ice-age, the more likely place for human settlement would have been in the northernmost section of Pangea, please refer to the linked map:
http://www.nature.com/...ournal/v4/n2/images/ngeo1069-f1.jpghttp://studentresearch.wcp.muohio.edu/...inctionsealevel.pdf
"Until recently, the later part of the Permian has been regarded as an interval of protracted crisis . Erwin, 1993 . However, recent work has revealed that the interval encompasses two distinct extinction events Stanley and Yang, 1994 , separated by an interval of radiation and recovery Shen and Shi, 1996 . The first event occurs near the end of the Guadalupian Stage, a level equivalent to the end of the Maokouan Stage in eastern Tethys, and the second better known event occurs at the end of the Permian. Low latitude faunas from carbonate environments were particularly hard hit by the first event; many fusulinids, echinoderms, brachiopods and bryozoans were amongst the victims Jin et al., 1994a There is, as yet, little evidence that the crisis spread to higher latitudes Hallam and Wignall, 1997."The higher latitudes did not experience the earlier extinction crisis. This "Siberian" area is the most likely habitat of the small population of humans during the turbulent extinction period of the Guadalupian stage (mid-Permian). This entire area was covered by lava during the P-T boundary and under this lava is where you will most likely find evidence of human settlement.During the Triassic, humans were in Turkey, and had not spread around the world yet.

I never said the article supports a "worldwide complete transgression sufficient to cover all the land". Often in this thread there has been the incorrect claim that there are no signs of a worldwide flood in the geologic record. I am refuting this claim. there are signs of worldwide flooding at the P-T boundary. The landscape was flatter then, in the absence of proof of high Permian mountain ranges, its possible that the waters could have covered all the land, science has not disproven that at the P-T boundary.The article does not only survey shallow marine environments but also points to flooding of vast areas of the interior of Pangea (found in Australia/Madagascar/Greenland)
'The culmination of the long-term sea-level rise occurred in the Griesbachian when several seaways flooded into the interior of Pangea e.g., in eastern Greenland, western Australia and Madagscar . This inundation was short lived and marine deposition in these areas ceased in the Dienerian."And there is no reason that numerous shallow marine environments contradicts a global flood. Vast shallow pre-flood seas supports the concept that a large portion of pre-flood water was in the Permian ice-caps and glaciation. Conodonts became extinct. I don't see your logic that extinctions prove evolution?? Many many species became extinct at the P-T boundary, which reflects a change in the dominant flora/fauna. Those extinctions and changes are accurate boundary markers.And radiometric dating may be faulty , but it does give an indication of relative dating. Granny Magda, the end Permian and the early Triassic are the P-T boundary. This is when you often find the disarticulated late Permian fossils, followed by a sedimentary layer with very few early Triassic fossils. Edited by mindspawn, : No reason given.

The ancient Greeks were educated and were always debating with eachother. Having a theory does not prove the theory. I am active in a carbon dating thread and will soon start a thread on radiometric dating as well. Its not set in stone, its just a theory based on current rates of decay.

God could have started the process, but I believe he used natural processes to create the flood.ps its no miracle that water would cover the earth, it just requires slightly shallower oceans, and lower mountains:Ocean's Depth and Volume Revealed | Live Science
"A group of scientists used satellite measurements to get new estimates of these values, which turned out to be 0.3 billion cubic miles (1.332 billion cubic kilometers) for the volume of the oceans and 12,080.7 feet (3,682.2 meters) for the average ocean depth"70% is ocean, 30% land. This means if the planet had even terrain, water would cover the planet by a depth of 2577 meters deep. There is more than enough water, all you need is flatter terrain to flood the earth.Edited by mindspawn, : No reason given.

The water came from the melting oof Southern Hemisphere glaciation and melting of the ice caps. Due to compressed timeframes of creation theory, the splitting of Pangea occurred during the tail end of the flood. The waters most likely poured into the newly opened northern Atlantic trench. There was an incomplete return to previous landmass levels, it probably took hundreds of years of marine regression and ice caps forming to create the landmasses we see today. (during the period Pangea was splitting and creating the deep Atlantic Ocean)