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Coyote
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Message 346 of 991 (705949)
09-04-2013 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 344 by mindspawn
09-04-2013 10:51 AM


Re: Another brief off topic note
You saying I'm making up stuff?
Yes.
You appear willing to say most anything, via cherry picking the data, to support your beliefs.
Further, you ignore evidence that is presented showing you are wrong--by making up more nonsense.
Your claim that humans were kicking around 250 million years ago is one example. As is the claim that a sea level rise equates to a global flood. And to support your dates, you have to claim that almost all of science is wrong.
There simply is no evidence to support those claims.
But perhaps the worse problem is that you are impervious to scientific evidence. If it does not fit with your religious belief, you just won't accept it no matter how well supported.
Edited by Coyote, : Fix formatting

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

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jar
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Message 347 of 991 (705950)
09-04-2013 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 343 by mindspawn
09-04-2013 10:47 AM


Re: But the Biblical Flood myths have been totally refuted.
Actually as one Christian to another Christian, "Yes". I am saying that you continue to lie, mostly to yourself. In fact you have become so used to lying to yourself that you can no longer even recognize it.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 348 of 991 (705952)
09-04-2013 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 345 by NoNukes
09-04-2013 10:58 AM


Re: But the Biblical Flood myths have been totally refuted.
This despite the fact that you've been asked for evidence multiple times? Why instead do you single out the poster(s) that are rude and avoid actually citing the evidence.
What is needed here is proof of a flood that covered every "high mountain" by at least 15 cubits. I' m sure everyone would accept evidence that extended part way up the tallest "high mountain". But instead all we've seen are preliminaries (e.g. claims "moutains weren't very high back in the day with no evidence", arguments that something got wet so everything was wet).
I agree that calling people liars simply because they claim to believe something the evidence suggests is ridiculous is wrong. I wish it would stop. Past experience is that pointing such things out to the moderators brings the whip down. In an effort to show some good will on my part, I'll make such a complaint right now.
Thanks for that, but it will not help because of the stance of the site. The moderators have a very tolerant approach. So you can be repeatedly insulted from a number of people before anyone gets banned. In the meantime they are not quick to pick up the problems, and so you have to lodge complaints. The end result, due to slow and weak moderating this site does not foster "understanding through discussion". The problem lies directly with the level of intervention of the moderators.
As for flooding at the P-T boundary, huge flooding did exist then, and if it cannot be disproven to cover the peaks, then the claims of many here have no scientific backing.

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Message 349 of 991 (705953)
09-04-2013 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 347 by jar
09-04-2013 11:04 AM


Re: But the Biblical Flood myths have been totally refuted.
Actually as one Christian to another Christian, "Yes". I am saying that you continue to lie, mostly to yourself. In fact you have become so used to lying to yourself that you can no longer even recognize it.
I hope you realize that you are being quite nasty to me. Maybe this will increase your esteem on this site.

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Message 350 of 991 (705954)
09-04-2013 11:26 AM


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Please keep your focus on the topic and not on other participants. Any judgments rendered should concern the consilience between opinion and data, and they should not touch on other participants or their conduct whatsoever. It is the belief of this moderator that those stating what they sincerely believe, no matter how much they may be in error and in contradiction to all evidence, are not lying, and in any event, accusations of lying run against the Forum Guidelines and of any rules of decorum.
Enforcement will depend upon who ignores this request. Some here have been told this many times, and for them there will be no warnings before being suspended.
I have another request: Positions being argued for in the science threads (like this one) should be based upon evidence. You should put forward the evidence that brought you to your position. Positions not based upon evidence should receive no mention. Positions that you believe have evidence but you don't know what that evidence is should also receive no mention. In other words, those with no evidence for what they believe is true should remain on the sidelines.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 351 of 991 (705956)
09-04-2013 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 340 by mindspawn
09-04-2013 10:16 AM


Re: But the Biblical Flood myths have been totally refuted.
So you are admitting to widespread flooding? My goal has been achieved. Can you disprove it covered the Permian highlands? Up until now I have been regularly told that the flood has been disproven. Can you disprove it now that I've pinpointed a time when there was widepsread flooding?
Well, yes. The evidence for transgressions involves finding the high water mark (as in the construction of the Hallam curve) and so finding out how far the transgressions transgressed.

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jar
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Message 352 of 991 (705957)
09-04-2013 11:52 AM
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09-04-2013 11:18 AM


Re: But the Biblical Flood myths have been totally refuted.
I'm very sorry you see it as nasty and will continue to pray for your enlightenment.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 353 of 991 (705959)
09-04-2013 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 343 by mindspawn
09-04-2013 10:47 AM


Re: But the Biblical Flood myths have been totally refuted.
mindspawn writes:
You calling me a liar? This accusation has been thrown around a few times in this thread.
When Richard Nixon was re-elected in 1972, defeating George McGovern, one observer quipped that America prefered a smart crook over an honest fool. So if somebody claims to be an honest fool instead of a smart crook, I tend to take him at his word - but it really is hard to tell whether you're a liar or a fool.
You keep equivocating "widespread flooding" with "worldwide flood". Do you really not understand the difference?
When you see leaves on your lawn and on everybody else's lawn, do you conclude that trees are widespread or that they all came from a worldwide tree?
Edited by ringo, : Spolling.

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Message 354 of 991 (705963)
09-04-2013 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 348 by mindspawn
09-04-2013 11:16 AM


Re: But the Biblical Flood myths have been totally refuted.
As for flooding at the P-T boundary, huge flooding did exist then, and if it cannot be disproven to cover the peaks, then the claims of many here have no scientific backing.
Wrong dude. The burden of proof for showing that the flood even approached covering the peak is yours. And as has been pointed out dozens of time so far, you also have to provide evidence that the flooding in question occurred at a relevant time. That is at a time when humans existed.
Evidence, has been presented that any flood at the P-T boundary could not possibly qualify. You don't accept that evidence but you haven't provided any counter evidence of your own.
In short, you act as if it is our burden to convince you rather than to simply provide support for our own arguments.

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Message 355 of 991 (705968)
09-04-2013 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 328 by mindspawn
09-04-2013 6:58 AM


Re: But the Biblical Flood myths have been totally refuted.
mindspawn writes:
Aah so you want me to interpret the bible your way, without actually showing me that your way is correct?
It is not my way. I have provided direct quotes from the King James Bible and a mechanical translation from the Hebrew along with it's interpretation.
It's a commonplace that God caused the flood. You have come up with no sane objection to this overwhelmingly accepted veiw.
You are arguing disingenuously and I have no more comments to make on it. Grow up.

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Message 356 of 991 (705986)
09-05-2013 1:47 AM
Reply to: Message 321 by mindspawn
09-04-2013 5:22 AM


Re: Another brief off topic note
mindspawn writes:
There is a definite seasonal pattern to radiometric decay:
Page not found | Observations on Quantum Computing & Physics
No, there isn't.
From the source you, yourself, provided.
Under the heading Update and Forums Round-Up:
Wavewathcing writes:
When the original claims were made they triggered follow-up research. Some of it was inconclusive, some of it contradicted the findings and a measurement performed on the Cassini probe's 238Pu thermonuclear fuel clearly ruled out any sun-distance related influence on that alpha emitter.
The references to these studies are provided there.

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mindspawn
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Message 357 of 991 (705987)
09-05-2013 3:01 AM
Reply to: Message 356 by Pressie
09-05-2013 1:47 AM


Re: Another brief off topic note
No, there isn't.
From the source you, yourself, provided.
Under the heading Update and Forums Round-Up:
There is a seasonal pattern. The graphs indicate such.
The references to these studies are provided there.
The seasonal pattern is not related to sun-distance, they are correct. So they still have to determine what actually caused the seasonal variations in radioactive decay, now that they have eliminated sun-distance. Makes sense?

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mindspawn
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Message 358 of 991 (705988)
09-05-2013 3:07 AM
Reply to: Message 355 by Tangle
09-04-2013 1:31 PM


Re: But the Biblical Flood myths have been totally refuted.
It is not my way. I have provided direct quotes from the King James Bible and a mechanical translation from the Hebrew along with it's interpretation.
I also participate on Christian bible debate forums, and am experienced in discussing Hebrew. We go into more depth than just choosing two translations and assuming the 2 translations that we cherry picked support our view. You neglected other translations that disagree with your view, and you need to tell me which Hebrew word says God "caused" the rain. I can tell you categorically there is no such word. So your argument falls flat.
Anyway you have wasted many posts trying to make a side-point, this thread is about evolutionists trying to prove a flood impossible. Yet to see any good argument. (is it impossible for plants to grow on land that has been drained of salt water after 5 months of recovery? - Still waiting for the evidence).

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Message 359 of 991 (705989)
09-05-2013 3:19 AM
Reply to: Message 354 by NoNukes
09-04-2013 1:00 PM


Re: But the Biblical Flood myths have been totally refuted.
Evidence, has been presented that any flood at the P-T boundary could not possibly qualify. You don't accept that evidence but you haven't provided any counter evidence of your own.
The only evidence presented is the 250 million year timeframe which is for the dating forum. No on topic geological evidence has been presented showing that the P-T boundary flood is impossible.
In short, you act as if it is our burden to convince you rather than to simply provide support for our own arguments.
This thread started with evolutionists having weak arguments that the flood is impossible. Evolutionists should not just make statements, this thread is about backing up your statements with facts. Evolutionists seem to believe the following:
1) Vegetation cannot grow on saline soils after a five month recovery period
2) The flood has been repeatedly disproved
3) There were too many predators on the boat to explain survival of modern animals.
If people want to say things like that they should then back up their loose statements with actual facts.
Edited by mindspawn, : No reason given.

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Message 360 of 991 (705990)
09-05-2013 3:28 AM
Reply to: Message 353 by ringo
09-04-2013 12:31 PM


Re: But the Biblical Flood myths have been totally refuted.
You keep equivocating "widespread flooding" with "worldwide flood". Do you really not understand the difference?
When you see leaves on your lawn and on everybody else's lawn, do you conclude that trees are widespread or that they all came from a worldwide tree?
I have always made myself clear that I cant prove the biblical flood (covering every mountaintop) but I can prove a worldwide flood.
Rather than waste my time discussing the meaning of the word "worldwide", let me use the word "widespread". Across various parts of the coast and interior of Pangea.

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