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Alias Inactive Member |
Ref to post 17 this is my response to you. Jacob removes the flock not laban. There is no con and there is no cheater. FYI: I did make some changes to it just a few minutes ago so you may want to reread it before responding, if you still disagree.
Edited by Alias, : clarity Edited by Alias, : clarityThanks Alias :-) FYI: "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -Albert Einstein "One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back" - Carl Sagan -Demon Haunted World "The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired." -Stephen Hawking "Before God we are all equally wise and equally foolish." -Albert Einstein
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Alias Inactive Member |
Ref to post 17, I made some changes to it for clarity.
Edited by Alias, : clarity Edited by Alias, : clarityThanks Alias :-) FYI: "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -Albert Einstein "One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back" - Carl Sagan -Demon Haunted World "The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired." -Stephen Hawking "Before God we are all equally wise and equally foolish." -Albert Einstein
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Jacob removes the flock not laban. I don't care what you said in post 17. The text itself explicit states that Laban did the initial separating out of the sheep. Genesis 30:34-36 (KJV)
quote: "He" and "himself" in these three verses are pretty clearly Laban and "thy" or "you" is pretty clearly Jacob. In fact, it is impossible to interpret "he" and "himself" in Verse 36 as being Jacob. It is also quite clear that the sons in verse 35 are Laban's sons. At the end of verse 36, Jacob is assigned to tend pure white flocks and that is where his payment is going to have to come from. Laban and his sons are going to watch over the speckled animals from the original flocks. Jacob then responds by making the strong goats in the flock produce strong specked offspring. He lets the weak sheep produce white offspring which are presumably weak. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
laban has no sons Really? Then who was that pissed off group of folks in Genesis 31:1 claiming their father had been cheated by Jacob?
quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Alias Inactive Member |
No 34 states that it be according to jacob's word which was in 32.
quote: The rest of your point is moot. Then we have 30:40 which shows jacob still had them.
quote: Edited by Alias, : err Edited by Alias, : clarity Edited by Alias, : clarity Edited by Alias, : ErrThanks Alias :-) FYI: "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -Albert Einstein "One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back" - Carl Sagan -Demon Haunted World "The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired." -Stephen Hawking "Before God we are all equally wise and equally foolish." -Albert Einstein
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Alias Inactive Member |
The gods were stolen and jacob left. Laban thought jacob stole the gods which is why laban was upset. And OK laban has sons. Does not change anything as per 30:40. Point still stands in post 17 with exception to my comments on labans sons.
Edited by Alias, : err Edited by Alias, : err Edited by Alias, : ClarityThanks Alias :-) FYI: "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -Albert Einstein "One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back" - Carl Sagan -Demon Haunted World "The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired." -Stephen Hawking "Before God we are all equally wise and equally foolish." -Albert Einstein
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
No 34 states that it be according to jacob's word which was in 32. Yes, and as the text makes clear, Laban removes the speckle animals before Jacob gets a chance to take his walk. Verses 35 and 36 make that abundantly clear. Laban did not keep to the spirit of his promise although arguably he did stick to the letter of it. By the way, did you notice that Laban actually did have sons?
The rest of your point is moot Meaning that you have no answer for those arguments. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Larni Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I feel it is corrupt but you have to sift through it to find important god inspired scriptures. What criteria are you using to sift the inspired scripture from the non-inspired scripture?The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Alias Inactive Member |
No 35 is referring to jacob due to their agreement in 32. Ref to post 17 for my point on 36. In verse 40, if Laban removed the sparkled, spotted and streaked flock in 35 to cheat jacob, why does jacob have access to the sparkled, spotted and streaked flock of laban's?
Edited by Alias, : Question Edited by Alias, : Question about Vera 40 Edited by Alias, : Question about verse 40!Thanks Alias :-) FYI: "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -Albert Einstein "One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back" - Carl Sagan -Demon Haunted World "The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired." -Stephen Hawking "Before God we are all equally wise and equally foolish." -Albert Einstein
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Alias Inactive Member |
Logic. In short, Jesus didn't walk on water. The red sea was not parted in the exodus. Stuff that is clear myth is myth. Revelation in other cases like genesis 1-2. Order of creation is not important if it were they would of wrote them in the same order. We can probably see actual order of creation in the fossil record.
Edited by Alias, : ClarityThanks Alias :-) FYI: "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -Albert Einstein "One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back" - Carl Sagan -Demon Haunted World "The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired." -Stephen Hawking "Before God we are all equally wise and equally foolish." -Albert Einstein
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Logic. In short, Jesus didn't walk on water. The red sea was not parted in the exodus. Stuff that is clear myth is myth. Revelation in other cases like genesis 1-2. Order of creation is not important if it were they would of wrote them in the same order. We can probably see actual order of creation in the fossil record. I have no idea what you are talking about.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Alias Inactive Member |
I didn't mean to respond to you. I responded from my smartphone. Sorry. Ref post 39.
Edited by Alias, : RefThanks Alias :-) FYI: "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -Albert Einstein "One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back" - Carl Sagan -Demon Haunted World "The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired." -Stephen Hawking "Before God we are all equally wise and equally foolish." -Albert Einstein
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Alias Inactive Member |
Hello larni! Ref to post 40. Thx. Sorry about the confusion.
Thanks Alias :-) FYI: "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -Albert Einstein "One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back" - Carl Sagan -Demon Haunted World "The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired." -Stephen Hawking "Before God we are all equally wise and equally foolish." -Albert Einstein
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frako Member Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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Logic. In short, Jesus didn't walk on water. The red sea was not parted in the exodus. Stuff that is clear myth is myth. Revelation in other cases like genesis 1-2. Order of creation is not important if it were they would of wrote them in the same order. We can probably see actual order of creation in the fossil record. Sorry to butt in, but if you use logic then you have to throw just about everything if not everything in the book out.
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Alias Inactive Member |
Such as? I mean the idea that abiogenesis occurred is completely logical to atheists yet there is absolutely no evidence for it. What do you purpose how life started?
Edited by Alias, : questionThanks Alias :-) FYI: "Imagination is more important than knowledge." -Albert Einstein "One of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back" - Carl Sagan -Demon Haunted World "The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired." -Stephen Hawking "Before God we are all equally wise and equally foolish." -Albert Einstein
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