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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: |
Hi, all. I find this whole subject fascinating and I'm pleased to have found a place to discuss it all in a civilized manner.
I'm sure this has been asked already but here it is again: Are we all descendants of Adam and Eve? Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Change topic title from "New here, questions for creationists" to "Are we all descendants of Adam and Eve?"
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
Thread copied here from the Are we all descendants of Adam and Eve? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I set this up as a "Bible Study" topic, not a science topic.
Please keep to the theological side of the question. AdminnemooseusOr something like that. |
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Since the first woman was actually Pandora, I'd have to say no, we are not all related to Eve. {Non-topic snark hidden - Adminnemooseus} Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Hide snark.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: |
I asked the original question not as a Bible study question but as science question. I'm new here, but I see a banner here with Creation Versus Evolution.
Is this subject taboo? Tell me now so I don't waste any more time.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I asked the original question not as a Bible study question but as science question. Well, you didn't say so in message 1, and I thought the Bible study angle was more interesting, and something that hadn't been covered here much if at all previously.
Is this subject taboo? No, but from the science side it does seem pretty dumb. Since you want this topic to go the science direction, I'll ask you what your position is, per the topic title question. Do you think we are all descendants of Adam and Eve? Why or why not? AdminnemooseusOr something like that.
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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: |
It looks like I've come to the wrong place. The fact that I asked the question in the science forum should be enough reason to leave it there.
I also didn't know it was up to someone else to determine which angle would be interesting. I asked the question with a view to open a discussion about the topic which I thought would be interesting. The inference that I'm 'dumb' for asking the question from a science point of view is surprising to say the least. Do you all judge so quickly? I guess I'll just leave it at that and consider myself and my questions unwelcome.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
faithiest writes: I guess I'll just leave it at that and consider myself and my questions unwelcome. The question is not at all unwelome, it's just a bit of a puzzle. There is no science for the biblical account of Adam and Eve, in fact all science refutes it - hence the 'dumb' remark. But if you think there is something that can be discussed scientifically, then go ahead, we'll have a go at pretty much anything here, you just have to frame the question in a way that makes sense for the rest of us. At the very least tell us why you think it can be subject to scientific enquiry.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 369 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
Hi faitheist and welcome.
Are we all descendants of Adam and Eve? The answer is no. The story of A&E is a myth. As NoNukes points out there are many other creation myths with equally valid claims to accuracy. Science tells us that we all have a common ancestor but what reason is there to believe that it might have been any character from this particular creation myth? I mean why would you even consider the possibility? What evidence do you have that would support such an idea? You are referencing an allegorical creation myth written 4 or 5k yrs ago. What part of your reality today would lead you think that it was actually true?
I asked the original question not as a Bible study question but as science question. There is nothing outside of the bible for science to investigate regarding this question.
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faitheist Junior Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 28 From: Australia Joined: |
Of course I don't believe in the myth. My next question to any creationists was' how do you account for the different races of humans on the planet?'. I have since found the most ludicrous explanation on a bible study website and I assume I would have gotten a copy/paste of that.
My point was going to be that even if you believe in A&E, you would have to believe in evolution too, in order to account for the different races. A&E couldn't have been all races. A&E's descendants would have had to evolve, in 6,000 years. But now I see that those who do believe in the bronze age myths have an explanation for everything ... everything but the most logical, beautiful, proven theory off all. I'm not sure why I wasted any time on this!
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 369 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
You should state the position that you are trying to support from the outset.
...everything but the most logical, beautiful, proven theory off all. Which one is that?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
faithiest writes: I'm not sure why I wasted any time on this! Don't you think it's a little early to reach that conclusion? You have, after all, only just begun to tell us what your position on it is. Now that we know that you're agin' the idea of A&E, you'll have to wait for someone to come along that is for it to tell you why.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
faitheist writes:
Creationists do believe in extrememly rapid evolution from a "super-genome" which contained every possible characteristic. "All cats came from two cats" after the Flood and so on. I'm not clear on whether or not that was happening before the Flood - and if not, why not. A&E couldn't have been all races. A&E's descendants would have had to evolve, in 6,000 years. The races supposedly came from Noah's three sons, Shem (Semites), Ham (black folks and probably various shades of brown too) and Japheth (white "Aryan" supermen). I'm not clear on why that began only after the Flood.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Of course I don't believe in the myth. My next question to any creationists was' how do you account for the different races of humans on the planet?' Thank goodness. I feel as if my snarky first post has been vindicated. I knew you did not want your thread here. But to be fair to Moose, I'm sure if you had posted some of the discussion here, he would have had a better shot at getting you sorted.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.Richard P. Feynman If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2126 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
My next question to any creationists was' how do you account for the different races of humans on the planet?'. Races are easy! They are created by a mixture of geographic factors and descent groups. There are lots of books giving the details. And races have nothing to do with old tribal myths.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
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