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Author Topic:   Relevance of origins to modern science
Coyote
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Message 8 of 124 (707158)
09-24-2013 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Ra3MaN
09-24-2013 5:34 AM


The role of religion in science
I would like to pose, what i feel are two of the most important questions that determine whether scientifically explained origins are religious pursuits or not.
How about if scientists leave religion out of their considerations entirely?
Why? Religion is conducted about 180 opposite from the way science is conducted.
--Religion relies on belief, scripture, dogma, revelation and the like, while science relies on evidence.
--When there are disagreements within religion you end up with wars (e.g., Sunni/Shiite, Protestants/Catholics in northern Ireland) or schisms (ca. 40,000 different sects or denominations of Christianity). Disagreements among scientists are decided using evidence.
--Finally, science deals with the real world.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

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Coyote
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Message 25 of 124 (707181)
09-24-2013 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Ra3MaN
09-24-2013 12:32 PM


Re: The role of religion in science
I wouldn't say 180degrees though,
I would. The difference is evidence vs. belief, dogma, scripture, divine revelation, etc.
The audience for in ancient times required less information and more instruction. I can admit that their proposed facts are significantly more vague statements e.g. "god created the heavens and the earth" or "multiply according to their kinds'' seen in the Torah and Bible, even that requires assumptions and inferences.
Irrelevant.
Science also relies on Belief, (scientific) Scripture, dogma, revelation (Primordial soup became us).
False. You clearly do not know how science works, and seem to be attacking it for religious reasons. It seems as if the more doubt you can create in your own mind about science, the more faith you can have in your unevidenced religious beliefs.
The Jewish lineage is alive today and their account is too, the arabic people are around, so is there historical artifacts... there has to be evidence in order to substantiate your belief otherwise why would anyone believe it?
Irrelevant.
Wars yes, however Hitler's war was based on (race issues among others) Slavery in the US led to segregation, and revolt, additionally, there were countless land grab wars... currently there is violent strike action because of money. Wars are not specific to religious beliefs.
Irrelevant.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

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