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Author Topic:   What if this forum was dominated by creationists?
Dogmafood
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Message 3 of 86 (707668)
09-30-2013 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by yenmor
09-30-2013 3:09 AM


Come one come all
I can see differences of opinion regarding what might or might not work regarding programs or technical problems but isn't there eventually evidence to resolve the issue? Are these folks denying the evidence in the same way that creationists do? Do they have vested interests in the outcome of the discussions?

What I see at EvC is that it is reason, logic and evidence that lead the way. If someone says something that is wrong they will be called on it regardless of which side of the debate they are on. Science has a self-correcting mechanism that works by praising those who find mistakes instead of castigating them for their descent. I don't think there is anyone here who would not welcome another dissenting opinion. The whole point here is to see how your opinions hold up.

I suspect that this site is predominately populated by rationalists because of the uncomfortable feeling caused in the creationist's mind when they are confronted with endless streams of undeniable facts and not because creationists are banned from expressing themselves.


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Dogmafood
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Message 14 of 86 (707750)
09-30-2013 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by yenmor
09-30-2013 12:42 PM


Re: Come one come all
His last post before I got banned said that even if I proved him wrong he would still not change his mind.

Sounds like a creationist tactic for ensuring victory no matter what.

I haven't decided yet if this forum is slipping into this abyss I've been talking about. Since there are so few creationists on here... what do you think?

Moderation is always a challenge and I think they do a good job here at being fair. There is a list somewhere of all the people who have been banned and why. I don't think that there are any on that list that shouldn't be. There just aren't that many people up to the challenge of defending creationism against the evidence of evolution.

There is the problem of dogpiling in some cases. Comes with a public forum I guess. They have a good feature here for one on one debate although it doesn't get used much. I am not sure what else could be done to make this site any more accessible and open and even handed.

I would challenge you to go to Evolutionfairytale and try to engage in a debate. I give frako about 3 posts to banishment.


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Dogmafood
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Message 18 of 86 (707757)
09-30-2013 10:30 PM
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09-30-2013 9:42 PM


Re: Come one come all
Changing your mind can be difficult. Especially if you are not used to it. More than that is the fact that these are core beliefs held from childhood for most.

Talking about slipping into group think. You stop it by encouraging dissent and debate.

Still, all the people who are right usually end up on the same side .


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Dogmafood
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Message 19 of 86 (707758)
09-30-2013 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by frako
09-30-2013 10:19 PM


Re: Come one come all
So fare i managed 3 an no warnings yet i do admit i am trying to be as polite and nice as i can, even though i might get an ulcer because of it.

Careful now, don't hurt yourself. Although injuries in the name of research are noble.

Give me a link I have to make sure that you are telling the truth.


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Dogmafood
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Message 46 of 86 (707913)
10-02-2013 6:01 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by frako
10-01-2013 10:49 AM


Re: Come one come all
You are holding up well. 12 posts in and you have only been warned twice to read the rules and only accused once of 'equivocating'. I think that, over there, 'equivocating' means when you correct their misunderstanding of the meaning of a word.

I see that they have already separated you off into another thread in preparation for complete removal. I could be wrong though.


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Dogmafood
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Message 47 of 86 (707914)
10-02-2013 6:22 AM
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10-01-2013 3:38 AM


Re: Come one come all
So, no thank you.

As you wish. I just think that the site it is a really good example of people who are suffering from group think in the extreme.

Could you provide an example from this site where the same is happening? I don't see it here.


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Dogmafood
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Message 63 of 86 (708051)
10-04-2013 8:22 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by NoNukes
10-02-2013 11:45 PM


Re: Come one come all
It's hard for participants in group thinking to see it, so if it is going, it would be hard to detect.

I am not sure that I agree with that. Group thinking is when an individual goes along with the opinion of the group in order to avoid sticking out from the crowd or to avoid disruption. It is basically succumbing to peer pressure and I think that people know when they are doing it. If you honestly agree with the group position then it is not the same thing as suppressing any dissent that you might have in order to remain part of the group.

As you say, the structure of the group is the best indication of whether or not group thinking is prevalent. It is up to the individual to speak their mind but if there are systemic restrictions in place then the group is more likely to suffer from it and those restrictions are usually very visible.


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Dogmafood
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Message 65 of 86 (708054)
10-04-2013 8:51 AM
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10-04-2013 8:31 AM


Re: Come one come all
Scientifically educated people are all going to have the same view about the broader aspects of the ToE and geology - that isn't group think, it's concensus.

Yes so group think does not apply to empirically evidenced things but only to areas where we have to make assumptions.


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Dogmafood
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Message 84 of 86 (727038)
05-14-2014 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Minnemooseus
05-14-2014 9:00 PM


Re: Evo's critiquing evo messages
So, the question is, does the evo side adequately critique the evo side (oslt)?

I certainly try when I am able but usually someone much more capable than me rises to the occasion. See Message 83

I think that any imbalance in the levelling of criticism is due mostly to the fact that one side is wrong far more often than the other. I would point out that if you look at the responses to your examples it is clear that the critical thinkers among us, be they theists or not, accept the criticism when it is valid and stand corrected as opposed to refusing it and requiring more criticism.

So the fact is that critical thinkers do most of the required critiquing before they open their mouths.


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