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Author Topic:   What if Jesus and Satan were real?
jar
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Message 166 of 591 (708128)
10-05-2013 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Thugpreacha
10-05-2013 8:42 AM


Re: A Matter Of Speculation and Discernment
And I'd say that Jesus says that Christianity is about what you do and why you do it is totally irrelevant.

Have you ever read the Bible?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 167 of 591 (708130)
10-05-2013 9:23 AM
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10-05-2013 8:54 AM


Re: Do good works cheerfully
jar writes:

If you had read the Bible you would see that God does change.

No...all that I see is that human understanding of who God is and how He is changes.

Jesus said you need to do good works...
Who was Jesus talking to?

If He tells you that you personally need to do good works, I would listen. He has, in fact, told me to do good works from time to time. What God says to us is based on our interpretation of our prayers, conscience, and peers. As you have said before, it is wise to always question when someone claims to hear directly from God.


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jar
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Message 168 of 591 (708132)
10-05-2013 9:29 AM
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10-05-2013 9:23 AM


Re: Do good works cheerfully
It is what the Bible says Jesus said. You began this with quotations from a dispensationalist, not even the Bible. But have you checked to see if what the dispensationalist says is what the Bible says Jesus said?

Jesus said nothing about doing good works cheerfully and in fact the very first miracle Jesus did was done grudgingly and under duress.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Tangle
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Message 169 of 591 (708134)
10-05-2013 9:59 AM
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10-05-2013 8:42 AM


Re: A Matter Of Speculation and Discernment
Phat writes:

Logic and Reason are often enemies of faith.

Well you've nailed that one. Makes you wonder why the good Lord gave us those abilities don't it?


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Message 170 of 591 (708136)
10-05-2013 11:41 AM
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10-05-2013 8:34 AM


Re: Do good works cheerfully
Phat writes:

I might add that a person whom counts faith as righteousness would quite naturlally do good works anyway, at least in theory.


You know very well that that "theory" doesn't work in practice - in fact it's a failed hypothesis. A thinking person will discard a failed hypothesis whether Jesus is real or not. Clinging to a failed hypothesis is foolish whether Satan is real or not.
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Thugpreacha
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Message 171 of 591 (708150)
10-05-2013 6:02 PM
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10-05-2013 11:41 AM


Re: Do good works cheerfully
Ringo writes:

A thinking person will discard a failed hypothesis whether Jesus is real or not. Clinging to a failed hypothesis is foolish whether Satan is real or not.

It all depends whether you have more of a reverence for common sense than you do for faith. It may be possible to accept that our logic will steer us one way and our faith will steer us another.
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ringo
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Message 172 of 591 (708184)
10-06-2013 3:58 PM
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10-05-2013 6:02 PM


Re: Do good works cheerfully
Phat writes:

It all depends whether you have more of a reverence for common sense than you do for faith. It may be possible to accept that our logic will steer us one way and our faith will steer us another.


I did say "a thinking person". You can't have it both ways. You can't be a thinking person and put faith ahead of thought.
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yenmor
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Message 173 of 591 (708185)
10-06-2013 4:14 PM
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10-06-2013 3:58 PM


Re: Do good works cheerfully
Sure, you can. Francis Collins proves this.
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Message 174 of 591 (708186)
10-06-2013 4:17 PM
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10-05-2013 9:59 AM


Re: A Matter Of Speculation and Discernment
Tangle writes:

Well you've nailed that one. Makes you wonder why the good Lord gave us those abilities don't it?


The argument that why would the good lord give us logic and reason if he didn't want us to apply them is kinda faulty argument.

In short, the good lord sure gave us the ability to put millions of people in ovens and exterminate entire races. But I don't think anyone would argue that just because the good lord gave us that ability doesn't mean he wants us to use it.


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ringo
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Message 175 of 591 (708188)
10-06-2013 4:31 PM
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10-06-2013 4:14 PM


Re: Do good works cheerfully
yenmor writes:

Sure, you can.


Not at the same time. You can put faith first on Sunday and go back to thinking on Monday but you always have to park one of them at the door.

When you're thinking, you're a thinking person. When you're not, you're not.


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Tangle
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Message 176 of 591 (708189)
10-06-2013 4:47 PM
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10-06-2013 4:17 PM


Re: A Matter Of Speculation and Discernment
yenmor writes:

The argument that why would the good lord give us logic and reason if he didn't want us to apply them is kinda faulty argument.

And the argument that the the Lord gave us logic and reason inorder NOT to not apply them them is not faulty???

In short, the good lord sure gave us the ability to put millions of people in ovens and exterminate entire races. But I don't think anyone would argue that just because the good lord gave us that ability doesn't mean he wants us to use it.

Well that's not exactly the same argument is it? THAT argument is about why the good Lord put suffering in the world that he created.


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Theodoric
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Message 177 of 591 (708193)
10-06-2013 5:52 PM
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10-06-2013 4:17 PM


Re: A Matter Of Speculation and Discernment
But I don't think anyone would argue that just because the good lord gave us that ability doesn't mean he wants us to use it.

Sure they can.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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ringo
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Message 178 of 591 (708194)
10-06-2013 5:52 PM
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10-06-2013 4:17 PM


Re: A Matter Of Speculation and Discernment
yenmor writes:

In short, the good lord sure gave us the ability to put millions of people in ovens and exterminate entire races. But I don't think anyone would argue that just because the good lord gave us that ability doesn't mean he wants us to use it.


If you give a child a blank wall and a box of crayons you might not "want" him to draw on it but you can expect that he will.
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Message 179 of 591 (708199)
10-06-2013 6:45 PM
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10-06-2013 5:52 PM


Re: A Matter Of Speculation and Discernment
That's what the dungeon is for.
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Thugpreacha
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Message 180 of 591 (708203)
10-06-2013 8:46 PM
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10-06-2013 3:58 PM


Re: Do good works cheerfully
Ringo writes:

You can't be a thinking person and put faith ahead of thought.

What if you believed that humans were by nature competitive and selfish and thus believed that your thinking would inevitably lead you away from God and closer to self deification?
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