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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I have the compressed timeframes view. ie I believe through errors in carbon dating calibration and evolutionary assumptions concerning how evolution needs time, the mainstream dating is out by exponential factors. I believe a vague approximation of (mainstream dates) 130000 years ago until about 65000 years ago represents animals close to the ark timeframe of 4500 years ago. Then your beliefs are unevidenced, false, ridiculous and occasionally meaningless ("out by exponential factors" does not in fact mean anything). Or to put it another way, you're a creationist.
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If I was really speaking nonsense, you guys would not be getting so upset. By the same token, you make less sense than a neo-Nazi Holocaust denier, something which is obviously proved by the fact that they really do upset people, whereas your brand of self-satisfied ignorance is merely mildly irritating.
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Regarding the Triassic containing humans what we see in fossils is consistent with the bible story. And here was I thinking the Bible story implied that humans got drowned in the Flood. But no, apparently when Genesis 6 says "men" it means "pelycosaurs". That would explain why there are no men found before or at the PT boundary. It wouldn't explain why there are no other mammals, but I'm sure if you put your mind to it you could think of some equally half-baked excuse.
Early Egyptian tablets show dinosaurs: As these "dinosaurs" have curly tails like dogs, they were clearly not drawn by anyone who knew what a dinosaur looked like. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Well, clearly nature is playing a game of Grandmother's Footsteps with us. As soon as we started to look and find out how fast physical processes occurred, they slowed down to a crawl. And I bet you thought it was just radioactive decay that did that. No, it was all geological processes, which raced away like mad until we turned round and started keeping records.
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I have the compressed timeframes view. ie I believe through errors in carbon dating calibration and evolutionary assumptions concerning how evolution needs time, the mainstream dating is out by exponential factors. And you also believe that:
Haha I'm not ignoring geologists, I'm embracing geology. As a matter of fact, both your beliefs are false, but surely even you can see that at least one of them must be.
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I do embrace geology, but obviously not the timeframes. Or anything else that interferes with your fantasies.
I am sure you know my position by now. Yeah, you think that geologists are wrong about pretty much everything except whether rocks are heavy, while pretending that geology offers support for your position.
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I am nearly ready for the dates forum, we can discuss dating rocks there. It appears to be the main argument against a flood at the PT boundary. Well, that and the unequivocal geological and paleontological evidence that there was no global flood at the PT boundary.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Sedimentation should not change by a factor of thousands. OK, first of all sedimentation doesn't care what it should do. In particular, deltas undergo what is known as "delta switching" ... here, let Wikipedia explain it to you:
About every thousand years, the Mississippi River has changed course. Each Mississippi River deltaic cycle was initiated by a gradual capture of the Mississippi River by a distributary which offered a shorter and steeper route to the Gulf of Mexico. After abandonment of an older delta lobe, which would cut off the primary supply of fresh water and sediment, an area would undergo compaction, subsidence, and erosion. The old delta lobe would begin to retreat as the gulf advanced, forming bayous, lakes, bays, and sounds. The river has been diverting more of its flow to the Atchafalaya River, which branches off some 60 miles (95 km) northwest of New Orleans. In the mid-20th century, engineers observed that the Mississippi would soon abandon its current channel as the mainstream, and instead migrate to the Atchafalaya Basin. Because there is extensive economic development along the current path of the Mississippi, and because extensive flooding and evacuation would occur in the new area, Congress instructed the Army Corps of Engineers to maintain the then-present 70% / 30% distribution of water between the Lower Mississippi and the Atchafalaya River channels, respectively. When a river goes from depositing some sediment in an area to depositing no sediment in that area, that is actually sedimentation changing by a factor of infinity. If it wasn't for the Corps of Engineers, we'd have seen this happen in our lifetimes. Or they could have let the engineers stay home, and got you to go tell the sediment it shouldn't do that. In the second place, as you could see by reading the paper you cited, the sediment moves. It doesn't stay in the delta region. Eventually it goes over the edge of the continental shelf and forms an abyssal cone, in this case the Mississippi Cone, and beyond it the Sigsbee Abyssal Plain.
The deeper parts contain a depth of 10 to 15 kilometers of sedimentary rocks --- and remember, that's after compaction of the sediment. Now think about how much greater the combined area of the Mississippi Cone and Sigsbee Abyssal Plain is compared to the Mississippi River delta area, and how very very thin that 15 cm/year in the delta area is going to end up being spread over the abyssal cone and plain. Now contemplate the vast expanse of time it must have taken to deposit that much sediment. Oh, and one more thing to think about. Nothing I've just told you is a secret. You could have found all this out for yourself in minutes if you were remotely interested in the subject you were discussing. Why didn't you?
I have a Muon theory. No you don't. But that's another story.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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The theory is that muons cause fusion (and other processes), which maintains the current natural neutron flux which is currently slowing the decay rate through neutron capture. Not Found"Neutron capture can occur when a neutron approaches a nucleus close enough for nuclear forces to be effective. The neutron is captured and forms a heavier isotope of the capturing element." Instead of heavy isotopes steadily decaying, we have a simultaneous process of heavy isotopes being created, or lighter isotopes becoming heavier. This slows down the amount of daughter isotope present in the rock, the parent maintaining its heavy and unstable state. But as you would know if you'd ever taken the slightest interest in radiometric dating, in not one of the parent-daughter pairs used in radiometric dating is the daughter produced from the parent by neutron emission.
... and a few more too minor to mention. But that's fifteen methods, not one of them involving neutron emission, and so not one of them would be retarded by neutron capture. And there's a reason, mindspawn, why they don't use isotopes where the daughter is produced from the parent by neutron emission. Which is that the halflives of isotopes that decay in that way can be measured in tiny fractions of a second. There are other things wrong with your hand-waving pretense at a hypothesis, but above all it simply doesn't do what you want it to do --- it doesn't explain away one single date produced by any method of radiometric dating. Again I would point out that none of this is a secret. The information is freely available on the internet, for example in chapter 5 of this book. Did it not occur to you that in order to provide even a quarter-baked hypothesis explaining away radiometric dating, you should first find out how radiometric dating works?
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Do posters familiar with geology find mindspawns statements about the Mississippi just as ridiculous as I find his nuclear chemistry? Yes, though he hasn't quite scaled the sublime heights attained by the late Buzsaw, who managed to produce a reasoned argument for why the Mississippi River couldn't possibly have eroded the Grand Canyon. That is, a reasoned argument other than the one that would occur to everyone else.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
"I doubt it" is not a strong argument. Nor an essential one: it doesn't matter whether your hypothetical effect can be artificially produced in a lab. All that matters is whether it happens on its own.
"Cosmogenic neutrons, neutrons produced from cosmic radiation in the Earth's atmosphere or surface, and those produced in particle accelerators can be significantly higher energy than those encountered in reactors. Most of them activate a nucleus before reaching the ground; a few react with nuclei in the air" And none of them reverse alpha decay, beta-plus decay, beta-minus decay, or electron capture. Your nonsense has already failed, there's nothing you can do now.
A lot of consilience in radiometric dating is due to calibrating against existing methods. Bollocks.
Its only linear because they already adjust their dates according to the magnetic field effect on carbon dating Double bollocks.
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