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petrophysics1
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Message 890 of 991 (709233)
10-22-2013 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 880 by Granny Magda
10-22-2013 12:14 PM


The geologic meaning of words
Hi Granny Magda,
Maybe this will help, maybe it won't.
Mindspawn appears to be using the standard English definition of the word correlate which is (intrans) "have a mutual relationship or connection, in which one thing affects or depends on another".
This is not how the word is used in a geologic context, which I think you know, but can't get across to Mindspawn.
From the Glossary of Geology5th ed. AGI) correlate v. To show correspondence in character and stratigraphic position between such geologic phenomena as formations or fossil faunas of two or more separated areas. adj. Belonging to the same stratigraphic position or level.
You see the marine PTB sequence and terrigenous PTB sequence in China CORRELATE to the Park Salt in the Williston Basin of Montana, North Dakota and South Dakota. This up to 300 foot thick evaporate salt deposit formed at the same time as the PTB formations in China.
It's rather hard to get an evaporate deposit at the same time the world is supposed to be totally flooded.
You might mention to mindspawn that a lake is a body of water surrounded by land. The lacustrine deposition and sediments in Lake Erie today are clearly the result of the fact NY, PA, Ohio, IN, ILL, and Ontario are above water and supply the sediments for the lacustrine deposition.
I don't think this will work with Mindspawn. That's my opinion as someone who spent the last 37 years working as a petroleum geologist. Sometimes you need to realize the person you are talking to is not stupid or stubborn, they just don't have the background to understand what you are explaining.

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petrophysics1
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Message 892 of 991 (709256)
10-23-2013 9:24 AM


Paleogeography of North America
Here is a paleogeographic map of North America during the Late Permian. Note the extensive areas above water.
Here is the early Triassic.
There was no worldwide flood at the Permian Triassic Boundary.
Paleogeographic maps of the last 550 million years can be found here:
http://www2.nau.edu/rcb7/nam.html

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petrophysics1
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Message 912 of 991 (709325)
10-24-2013 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 910 by NoNukes
10-24-2013 5:55 PM


Do posters familiar with geology find mindspawns statements about the Mississippi just as ridiculous as I find his nuclear chemistry?
Yes, and I'm not sure about how to attack this.
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Message 936 of 991 (709406)
10-25-2013 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 898 by mindspawn
10-24-2013 5:44 AM


Re: The geologic meaning of words
I'll try one more time to get this across to you and it covers everything you referenced.
The present and very recent marine transgression seen in southern Louisiana correlates to the stabilizations of sand dunes in eastern Colorado, the beginning of lacustrine deposition in the Great Lakes, and the incision and erosion of streams in NY, PA and Ohio.
How is it possible for all these things to correlate as North America is NOT underwater.
Well the melting of the ice sheets across Canada and the Northern US caused the marine transgression we see in southern Louisiana (and along the entire coast), with no ice in them the Great Lakes began lacustrine deposition, the warmer more moist climate allowed dunes in Eastern Colorado to grow grass and stabilize, and the release of 10,000 feet of ice across NY, PA, and Ohio caused the land to rebound and incise the creeks and rivers in that area. Not only that but this marine transgression is related to increased salt deposition in Great Salt Lake as that area became more desert like.
Holy Shit, do you mean all of these above water depositional environments correlate to a marine transgression. Yes, because that is what the word correlate means in geology.
This is what the people who wrote the papers about the deposition in China are saying. The terrestrial section correlates to the marine section.........They are NOT saying the terrestrial section is underwater just that it correlates to the area in South China which was. Exactly like I did with the deposition we see today.
Do you understand?
Here are three places where the PTB was above water or not related to a massive world wide flood.
Park Salt, across the PTB in the Williston Basin. You can't get an evaporate salt deposit with the world flooded.
Wind blown sand dunes in the Lykins around Denver/Boulder across the PTB. Can't do that in a world wide flood.
"The Permian-Triassic boundary in southeastern New Mexico and west Texas is bracketed by nonmarine, siliciclastic red beds."
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&sour...
[Above link doesn't work, here's a link to a cached copy: STRATIGRAPHY OF THE PERMIAN-TRIASSIC BOUNDARY IN SOUTHEASTERN NEW MEXICO AND WEST TEXAS --Admin]
You might notice that I didn't give a reference for the Park Salt or the Lykins, that's because I don't have to because I looked at them and I'm a recognized expert witness in geology, petrophysics and the oil and gas industry.
So now with Granny Magda, Pressie and myself you now have 5 places in the world at the PTB with NO FLOOD. We only needed one to prove you wrong.
BTW you do not have the background to read and interpret geology papers so maybe you ought to stop doing that.
Admin thanks for fixing that, this is something strange which shows up in Windows 8 when I open a pdf file, maybe I should go back to my XP computer
Edited by petrophysics1, : Added info to make it easier for mindspawn to understand
Edited by Admin, : Fix link.
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