I reiterate, that you are simply mistaken.
Remember what we are talking about here is your contention that when you were growing up biology textbooks gave an explanation of life as:
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... lightening struck on a pool of primordial soup and, presto, the first living micro organism came into being ...
I am 64 years old. And I read it from books on biology and science. Maybe you don't remember when that was taught in science classes.
That puts you in middle school in the mid-60s and high school in the late 60s.
I have referred you to the most popular biology textbook of that time period. Anyone is free to go get a copy (though buying one these days is quite pricey - library would be better) read the appropriate chapters and see, as I contend, that
"... lightening struck on a pool of primordial soup and, presto, the first living micro organism came into being ..."
WAS NOT offered as the hypothesis, and that this is a misreading, misunderstanding or deliberate misrepresentation of the hypothesis that
molecules in a primordial soup, under the influence of lightning PROBABLY caused the formation of the FIRST LIVING THING. That first living thing NOT being a fully formed micro-organism.
Can you present a similar level of evidence showing I was wrong?
Show me this evolution-friendly science-based textbook of that time period that says differently.
Or any evolution-friendly science-based textbook of any period that says such a thing.
Since that time in the 60s other hypotheses have formed similar in concept, differing in detail, but still no "presto, the first living micro organism came into being." Never was, isn't, never will be.
Show me otherwise.
And this is the Bible Study room. For you to come over here and complain that I am cramming something down your throat is as silly as ...
There is no cage door fella. You want to be let "out" the cage to believe your theory, the door is open.
"Teach the controversy," Discovery Institute's Wedge document, Dover? Just three of hundreds of modern examples of throat cramming by you religious zealots that has been going on for centuries. The only difference between then and now is you can't burn us at the stake anymore.
And I don't give a flyin' flip what the fuck forum this is in. You are giving false information, preying on vulnerable impressionable minds, perpetrating a fraud upon the people and must be stopped wherever your kind raise a religious stink.
The original creation of the universe is completely beyond our ability to do science upon. In that sense Creation Science probably can only demonstrate the problems with some purely naturalistic explanations of things.
First, remember that "science" is not just seeing it happen but also involves using the mathematical models (laws of physics) to make highly reliable inferences of what must have happened. The universe, including it's creation, is well within the scope of science. We just don't have the tools necessary to know reliably how it all did happen, yet.
And second, if creation science can demonstrate the problems with some purely naturalistic explanations then why hasn't it?
The only things creation science has come up with are nonsensical and impossible "what if's" that have been proven false and then spouting chapter and verse from articles of faith the meanings of which even you religionists can not agree.
The only thing you have are some 3000 year old oral myths finally scribed after hundreds of years of embellishment then embellished even more with each re-writing, cobbled into a book which to anyone whose eyes are open to history is known to be an influence-peddled political put-up sham from the start. Not a convincing source of evidence for discussion.
Look, jaywill, the planet earth had, and still has, trillions of little nooks and crannies all over the surface and below. The chemical soup KNOWN to be present on the early earth soaked every one of those spaces giving us trillions of petri dishes each with its own separate experiment of randomly colliding molecules. And every few hours each "dish" was repopulated by more sets of molecules and another experiment. For literally tens of millions of years these hundreds of trillions of experiments each year were performed. These are KNOWN facts.
And from that start we now look around and see the result in the incredibly diverse biosphere ? I don't have enough faith to believe that these kinds of lucky accidents explain everything I see as life around me on this planet.
So we have a plausible, if incomplete, hypothesis based upon a lot of available evidence from history, geology, chemistry, quantum mechanics and evolution versus an emotional comfort level scenario based upon the blinding youthful acculturation into a religious cult.
Gee, no contest.
Do you think that THINKING and CONSCIOUSNESS also are the result of these chemical accidents ? I mean the result was a human mind which can conceptualize its own coming into existence in some way ?
You ask later in your message what the real beauties of the universe are that I say you are missing being religiously blind to the realities around you. This is one of them.
We know, we have the facts the models and the reality, that in the beginning there was energy. Then from this energy quarks and electrons condensed which then formed protons and neutrons, then atoms and clouds and stars and planets and apes and consciousness. All due to physics. That is a beautiful thing.
Your way is to ignore the facts, the evidence, the reality and ascribe all this to some magical poofer from nowhere using powers that, gee, must exist somewhere, somehow, right?
I may not be religious but that does not mean I am without some spirituality. I am in awe of physics. That energy, given time, would evolve to see itself and know its very nature without an apparent need for some unknowable magic or grand invisible guidance is the true miracle of this universe. And you missed it. Such a loss.
And let's take this one step further. IF, that is a real big capital IF, there is some guiding force in this universe its nature will not be anything even close to any religious conceptions of man. All of them are known to be self-serving, predatory and false.
Some god in our human image? The one god of this whole thing an ape? In this vast expanse of a universe? Some arthropod-like thing in M86 probably says otherwise.
Why you are here in this universe and what is your destiny ?
Purpose? Is that what you are asking? What is my purpose?
First, my destiny is to die, just like everything else that has ever lived on this planet. Before the end of this century I will be dead and forgotten. In 20,000 years even our most beloved heroes down the millennia will have all been forgotten. In two million years all humanity will have been forgotten. In 5 billion (english or american, it doesn't matter) years the earth will have been forgotten.
As for my purpose? Purpose is a human conception. Your dog, the dandelion in your neighbor's front lawn, the sun, some asteroid out in the Kuiper belt, the whole rest of the universe, doesn't know nor care about your purpose. You and I, this planet, this galaxy are of no significance in this universe whatsoever. Your purpose is your own vain attempt to impose your will upon an anthropomorphic view of a universe that just doesn't care one damn bit whether you're here or not.
Since no one gives a damn you can adopt whatever purpose floats your boat.
Mine was to survive childhood, fuck Diane in high school, survive the army, get laid as often as possible in college, get married, have some kids and eat lots and lots of Hagen-Dazs chocolate ice cream.
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