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And George Bush Sr. had problems at the polls.

The mayor is just another wet brain giving all drugs a bad name.My first sergeant in the combat engineers told me he'd rather have a battalion of stoners any day--"It's the boozers who tear up my barracks and start shit."Busted me anyway, though. He retired to become a Texas state cop. I haven't been there since.

Are you trying to say there's no difference between telling some jokes and having oral sex?I'm not for Clinton's removal because he "had down time" (heh... )
I'm for his removal because he didn't respect the obvious conflict of interest in having oral sex, at work, during work hours, with one of his interns. That's abuse of power over a subordinate. Regardless of whether or not she wanted it or possibly even initiated it... it's a conflict of interest and against any ethical code of conduct as a professional anything.That sort of attitude, in a professional setting, is not something I'm okay with when voting on someone going into a professional setting.If he told a joke to her, however, I'd be fine with it.

I agree with you regarding the subordinate relationship aspect. But as far as work hours goes, I think the idea that you are getting less than a days work from a president is rather hard to defend. I doubt any modern president has failed to put in 2000+ hours in any given year.

Are you saying that a president works less than an hour each day?

You have some really loonng years! Over 2000 days per year. Wow.Actually, as I recall from the books, presidents usually have 10-15 hour days. Clinton started about 7 am with his security brief over breakfast and ended with reading position papers until about 10 pm (taking a few minutes during the day for a knobjob which really didn't count since he was mostly on the phone talking with some senator during the procedure).Carter used to go to 2-3 am a few days each week and had a stenographer on standby all night in case he wanted to dictate a memo or two or three which he did frequently.On the other hand, Reagan was an 8-to-6'er with about an hour nap after lunch. He would spend his evenings in private dinners with guests then watch some movies or read until about 9 pm.Remember, however, that "president" is an on-call position 24/7/365 without weekends, vacations or holidays and no sick days.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

It was late, i was/am drunk, i'll just go sit in the corner of shame.

May be I have a weird view on this. I really don't see a difference between oral sex and joking around. There's no evidence that he forced her into anything.Many women are attracted to power. And Clinton was the most powerful man out there.

I can see where this is coming from.
I also admit that it's quite possible to have such a relationship that doesn't interfere with work at all.The point is that it's difficult to do so.
That's what a conflict of interest is.. and that's why they should be avoided. Because it creates situations where it's easy to slip up and do something inappropriate or wrong according to the responsibilities of your position.A conflict of interest in itself isn't even a reason to be pulled out of a position.
The problem is if you try to hide or ignore the conflict of interest.
If there is a conflict of interest, and you openly inform all those who need to be informed of such a thing going on... then everything's okay.
If you don't do this, however... then obviously there is "something" that you are protecting/hiding/ashamed of. That thing is what creates the pressure on the individual to slide on the responsibilities of their position.Clinton had a clear conflict of interest.
Clinton didn't make the information known to those who should know about it.
Clinton even tried to hide the conflict of interest (I think? I think he denied it when asked, no?).
Therefore... he should be removed from his position.It's like this:Let's say I have my own company for making batteries.
Let's say I'm also on contract for a company called Bright Lights for manufacturing flashlights.
Let's say Bright Lights asks me to get a battery manufacturer lined up for their production.This is a conflict of interest.If I inform Bright Lights that I happen to have a battery company myself and would like to propose my own batteries for their production... it's fine.If I do not inform Bright Lights that I happen to have a battery company myself, and I still use my own company to get batteries to Bright Lights... then I am doing something very wrong and should be fired.
-it doesn't matter if the deal I put together is fair, or even in Bright Light's favour... the fact that I'm doing something shady on the job is enough to have me removed from my position.It's how employment ethics work.
I think it may also be a law? I'm not sure about that, though. Pretty sure it's a law for most professionals, though.
Didn't you mention you're a professional engineer? Did you not have to write some sort of ethics test in order to obtain your professional status?

For me, I was more offended by the fact that the President of the United States, one of the most powerful men on the planet, couldn't get better tail than Monica Lewinsky or Paula Jones.Sheesh. At least Kennedy had the decency to bang Marilyn.

Let me clue you in. One involves someones genitals and someones mouth.

Yeah, I've played practical jokes like that. Oh how I laughed.

You might try to actually read the quote in context.You have been very creoish lately.

You forgot the last part of the sentence: "away from the fog of controversy". It's not a very good political pun now, but it still funny, because sometimes when i lay a stool sample, i cant see whats in it before the fog and controversy disappears Edited by rbp, : No reason given.