Are we all descendants of Adam and Eve?

The continued existence of the nation of Israel is a factor leading me to believe what is written in the Bible is trustworthy.I mean the Jews had been persecuted for seven hundred years by Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians and then Greeks and the Romans. Many Jews had been scattered and lives as captives in these other nations.We still amazingly see Jews today. But in comparison where are the Hittites, Perizzites, Ammonites, Assyrians, Jebusites, Philistines, Amalekites, Persians, and Babylonians of those living in ancient times ? These people largly got captured, intermarried, and lost their national identity.The existence of Jews, the reformation of Israel, their book the Tenach, are contributing historical factors for believing what is written there about them and of mankind in general is believable.That is also to include the coming of Jesus according to so many messianic prophecies plus the integrity of His life, words and explanations of human life. It is enough. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

I agree that Moses (or whoever wrote the Pentateuch) wasn't simple-minded. I'm sure it never occurred to him (them) that anybody else would be simple-minded enough to take the talking snake literally.And if they meant the Adam and Eve story to be taken literally, why did they "correct" it with the generic "man" in Genesis 1? Why do you find it necessary to suggest scientific explanations for miracles?

What indications do you have in the writing that he didn't expect anyone to take it seriously ? You imagine someone's need to "correct" something. Genesis 5:1,2 makes it clear that the two accounts are about the same man - "This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created Adam, He made him in the likeness of God."(v.1) (See Genesis 1:26). "Male and female He created them, and He blessed them and called their name Adam, on the day when they were created." (v.2) (See Genesis 1:26,27).In case anyone is confused chapter one and chapter two are about the same man told from two different angles of interest. I don't know how God accomplished it. My point is that it should not be that hard to believe that a Creator could easily have the power to do so.Joshua's army had rocks falling from the sky at one point to assist him in his defeating of the Canaanites. Could have been pure miraculous, could have been a meteor shower. Could have been some of both.
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Except of course for the fact that there was no conquest of Canaan as described in Joshua. Like the Biblical flood and the Exodus and the Garden of Eden story, all myth, no reality.And again, even if the GOE story was true, we would still likely not be descended from Adam and Steve.

An Archeological diversion.Apologetic Conference Canada of 2011, Dr. Steven Collins "Confirming the Bible Through Archeology"This particular hour is dedicated to Sodom and the cities of the "plain" [or circle] in Genesis.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlYSOSNiDLQAnyone who does not have the patience to sit through the entire long lecture but wants to make a comment, I'm not interested. Sit through the entire lecture from start to finish and I'll read your comment.PS I am presently reading from cover to cover "Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin as challenged during this discussion. I will oblique this criticism.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

You weren't challenged to read it; you were challenged for posting nonsense about what you thought Darwin said without reading it. And about thinking that it mattered what Darwin said, even if he had.No-one reads Darwin now except for historical interest - it's not a holy book and evolutionary science has moved on rather a lot in 150 years. If you genuinely want to learn about evolution, find a modern treatment of it, something like Steve Jones update of OriginAmazon.comOr a bit more text book-like:Amazon.comI get the feeling at the moment that you're reading Darwin for the wrong reasons; stick to the science and forget the rest.

Steve didn't have the equipment physiologically to produce children. Eve did.
Eve was created physically to be oriented towards coupling with a male.
Adam was created physically to be oriented towards coupling with a female.Of course this obvious fact is lost on some people. While they scream about evidence the evidence of the physiology of their own bodies was designed for orientation to the opposite sex alludes them.Sexual greediness is a huge reason why some people muster all their intellectual energy to dismiss the Bible. Its too bad they don't instead come to get to know the God who created them and designed them and loves them.

And your post is just another complete irrelevancy and totally missed the import of what I posted as well as being utter nonsense.Let me try to make things clear.You posted: I pointed out that the conquest of Canaan as described in Joshua never happened and had nothing to do with the topic.I then went on to point out that even if the GoE story were true, we still would not likely to be descended from the couple there.

Wisecracks may cause me to write something useful. You asserted some stuff which in your opinion is right. And I put a link to the discussion of modern archeology which argues for the validity of Genesis 19 which did happen. By implication Joshua and Judges I would be inclinded to take seriously. Yes, you made some assertions which I reject. Assertions which I believe are wrong and may one day be provable with the tools of science to be wrong.A review was not necessary to me. The link on modern excavation of the cities of the plain, including Sodom, encourage me that Old Testament, so heavily based on realistic geography, is true in its accounts.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlYSOSNiDLQEdited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

And your post is nothing but another example of willful ignorance.Genesis 18 has jack shit to do with the Conquest of Canaan and even if the city of Sodom did exist (not something really questioned by many) it has nothing to do with whether the story in Genesis 18 was true.And that still has nothing to do with whether or not we might be descended from Adam and Eve.Their children found wives and that means Adam and Eve were not the only folk around. If they found wives then those wives had parents. We could as likely be descendents of those other folk as Adam and Eve.

My corrected typo. I meant Genesis 19. And while I have no archeological proof for everything I read in the Old Testament, I submit this example as a representative case.As for the children of Adam and Eve marrying their near relatives? That should be a no brainer. Obviously that is what God had to allow for in the beginning of the human race.Though Genesis only mentions Cain and Abel and Seth by name it also says "And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years, and he begot more sons and daughters." (Gen. 5:7) They were enter marrying among their early human relatives.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Some things fundies say are vile and offensive. Their obsession with sex and sexual acts is very disturbing. Please show the studies that show that peoples sexual desires drive nonbelief in the bible. You made the assertion you must have some sort of evidence to back it up. I know this is in the bible study fora, but that does not mean you get to make any wild ass claim you want without a need to back it up. You modus operandi is usually to make logical fallacies but you also have tendency to make claims that have no bearing on reality.Go ahead support the comment. Show that atheist somehow have a higher percentage of sexual "degeneracy"(to use a term I am sure you are familiar with). Instead of what? Fucking everything that moves? Is that what you think atheists do? You are vile. You know nothing about me or seemingly any other atheists.Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Troy existed, why don't you put the same belief in the Homeric stories?You see, this one of the logical fallacies I mention. The argument has no validity. Harry Potter must be factual since London is in it. We know London exited and exists so therefore it should be more factual than the bible. The argument is ludicrous and ridiculous.How about you try studying up on logical fallacies and try to reduce yourself to only 4 a day.

The existence of the city of Sodom still is no support for the story in Genesis.Stop and think.Is the fact that London exists evidence that the stories in Sherlock Holmes are true?And stuff like Adam living 800 years should be another clue that it is not true but mythology.

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Troy existed, why don't you put the same belief in the Homeric stories?

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I don't have a strong reaction for or against the Homeric stories. Could be something there based on real history.The Homeric stories don't touch anything of a sense of destiny with me in terms of my relationship with God.The first time I remember voluntarily opening up a Bible at random and just reading, for some reason it touched my "me-ness" in a deeper way. I think I recall opening up to the middle of the book of Isaiah. After a number of lines, I closed it. Something authoritative about it seem to touch me as Someone speaking to my personal life.There are multitudes of stories from the ancient world that are simply unconsequential to my person. The Bible is writing that I have to decide on in my relationship with God.

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You see, this one of the logical fallacies I mention. The argument has no validity. Harry Potter must be factual since London is in it. We know London exited and exists so therefore it should be more factual than the bible. The argument is ludicrous and ridiculous.

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How come there is 1,000 times more energy and time mustered by intellectuals against the Bible than against say Harry Potter ?You say "They are just about the same." But I know plenty of websites launching all out intellectual war against Genesis or the New Testament. Where is "The Harry Potter Delusion" book selling by the millions ? Where is "Harry Potter is Not Great" best seller ?Sure I can say that the sun in the sky is a light just like the screen on my cell-phone. Yes, they are both lights. Somehow the differences are extensive, even great.The Bible is a book like the Iliad is a book. I can put both on my bookshelf. Both can collect dust. Both have title pages and page numbers and may indicate where the printing was done or who the publisher was.But one book causes me to have to consider my ways before an Ultimate Truth. The other doesn't have that effect.Somewhere in the book of Jeremiah God tells Israel "Is not My word like a hammer, that breaks the rocks in pieces?"

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"The prophet ... and he who with whom is My word, let him speak My word faithfully.

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What is straw to the grain? declares Jehovah. Is not My word thus - like fire, declares Jehovah, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?" (See Jeremiah 23:28,29)

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You asked about me. And the Bible has an effect on my conscience and heart which lots of great books, good books just do not have, though they be a good read.And His word also feeds something deep in me that no fiction ever does in the same way, though it may be enjoyable to read. I'll work on logical weaknesses. But you know an Argument from Authority is a logically weak argument by debating standards. A logically weak argument may still be true.Maybe you could work on your unrealistic comparisons down to one a month. Ie. Homeric stories and the book of Genesis.Can you name me another book in the world ( I mean one, not a combination) which in as many words as can be found in the first 10 or 11 chapters of Genesis tell us this many vital things about the world -1.) The origin of the universe
2.) The origin of life on the world.
3.) The origin of the seven day work week.
4.) The purpose and origin of human beings.
5.) The history of the first human family.
6.) The initial relationship of man with his Creator.
7.) The origin of the death of people.
8.) The origin of the institution of marriage.
9.) The origin of the first worship of God.
10.) The reason for the first murder.
11.) The origin of domestic animal keeping.
12.) The origin of nomadic life.
13.) The origin of metal work.
14.) The origin of musical performance.
15.) The history of the first human city.
16.) The origin of the diversity of human languages.Can you indicate ONE ancient or modern writing which in as many words as the first 11 chapters of Genesis tell us as many vital points of interest about the earth and mankind ?Don't reach for Aesop's fables or Huckleberry Finn.
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