Was Jesus' crucifixion all part of God's plan?

jar writes:I'm not one of those Christians that subscribes to the cheap "Jesus death paid for my sins"

faithiest writes:Do you not find that an odd story? Doesn't it sort of negate the whole thing? Why wouldn't an all powerful God simply make us good instead of going to all that trouble?

I see no reason to invoke a god where it comes to failure or success. I'm a non believer an yet I struggle to do my best every day. I see no reason to invoke a god in any aspect of life on Earth.

. I imagine that I will be judged to have failed to live up to the example Jesus gave us and sinned even more often than Jesus did but I hope that GOD through His grace, will pardon me.

Does that make it any less an offense?

jar writes:How sad and pitiful that is.

jar writes:I am accountable to the society I live in, perhaps to GOD but above all. I am accountable to myself.

John 8:34-4 writes: 34 Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you do what you have heard from your father."39 "Abraham is our father," they answered."If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do the things Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the things your own father does.""We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself."42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

jar writes:The Jesus described in John's Gospel is entirely different than the Jesus found in the Synoptic Gospels, far more narcissistic, doing miracles to show power, claiming divinity, less a humanitarian and less human.

Where then,do we begin? The answer is not so difficult. We must begin with the people who created the literature. This point may seem so obvious as to sound stupid. But the point must be made. Until a literature has been created we can only see a silent people. To a large extent this is true of the Stone Age man, for example. Men of the Stone Age may have felt and hoped, but what they felt and hoped we shall never know, for they left us no words, no literature. The people who produced the Bible were not, however, a silent people.

jar writes:What the hell is a deeper level?