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Faith 
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Message 121 of 380 (712631)
12-05-2013 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by scienceishonesty
12-05-2013 12:24 PM


The Bible is a collection of books written by independent witnesses.

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scienceishonesty
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Message 122 of 380 (712632)
12-05-2013 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by jar
12-05-2013 12:25 PM


Re: Some apology
Not a "minor point", it was the WHOLE BEGINNING POINT of the reformation.

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jar
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Message 123 of 380 (712633)
12-05-2013 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by scienceishonesty
12-05-2013 12:27 PM


Re: Some apology
Again, have you actually read the 95 Treatise?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ringo
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Message 124 of 380 (712634)
12-05-2013 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Faith
12-05-2013 12:24 PM


Re: Some apology
Faith writes:
Oh an honest reading of the books I'm talking about could only lead one to have a hatred of Catholicism as the lying murderous antichristian religiopolitical system it is.
And here was me thinking you'd deny the hatred.

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Faith 
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Message 125 of 380 (712635)
12-05-2013 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by scienceishonesty
12-05-2013 12:22 PM


Re: Evidence's role in belief vs. knowledge
They are called the books of Moses not only because he wrote them or authorized their writing but because they are about him and his times. The idea that somehow generations of Israelites and Christians managed to overlook the fact that it reports on Moses' death is just weird.
If your former faith was genuine and not just an intellectual matter then you will come back to it eventually because God won't let you get away. But to give up on it as totally as you seem to have done suggests it wasn't authentic, that's not just a convenient assessment, it's an honest assessment. God will give you a way back if it was genuine.
But you are asking for the wrong kind of evidence.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 126 of 380 (712636)
12-05-2013 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Faith
12-05-2013 12:35 PM


Re: Evidence's role in belief vs. knowledge
But to give up on it as totally as you seem to have done suggests it wasn't authentic, that's not just a convenient assessment, it's an honest assessment.
I love how you fanatics, just go well you never really believed cause its impossible for you to fathom that someone might have broken free from your brainwashing cult.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Faith 
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Message 127 of 380 (712637)
12-05-2013 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by ringo
12-05-2013 12:29 PM


Re: Some apology
You hate Nazism don't you? (I hope). Stalinism? Maoism? If you understood it you would also hate Catholicism. And so would honest Catholics hate it. But the knowledge is suppressed and the RCC is good at keeping people in its thrall.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 128 of 380 (712638)
12-05-2013 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Faith
12-05-2013 12:40 PM


Re: Some apology
If you understood it you would also hate Catholicism.
But i love the new catholic pope the whole stop bashing the gays we have real problems to deal with like wealth redistribution so the poor stop dying kind of appeals to me even though its coming from a man that dresses like a wizard.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Faith 
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Message 129 of 380 (712639)
12-05-2013 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by frako
12-05-2013 12:43 PM


Re: Some apology
Yeah, this Pope is a masterpiece, I agree, he'll soon have the whole world eating out of his hands. Except Bible believers of course. Maybe a few diehard capitalists as well.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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scienceishonesty
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Message 130 of 380 (712640)
12-05-2013 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by New Cat's Eye
12-05-2013 12:15 PM


Re: Evidence's role in belief vs. knowledge
I do not know for sure that Moses did not write the first 4 books, however, there seems to be accumulating evidence that it is very unlikely he did, and even that he may have not existed at all.
A lot of it has to do with seemingly different versions of events almost simultaneously together in the text.

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scienceishonesty
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Message 131 of 380 (712641)
12-05-2013 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by jar
12-05-2013 12:29 PM


Re: Some apology
No I haven't, what is it about?

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frako
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Message 132 of 380 (712642)
12-05-2013 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Faith
12-05-2013 12:45 PM


Re: Some apology
LEme guess he is the Antichrist or something like that.
Where in the bible does it say the church should horde wealth or anyone for that matter. Remember the whole camel and eye of the needle business. Though i wish he would have just said its impossible for rich people to enter hevan so rich people would not need to invent a nonexsistent gate of Jerusalem called the eye of the needle. When has jesus bashed the gays? Given that Jesus priority was more with the rich then the gays shouldent the churches attitude be the same.
Or is the juckiness you feel when you see 2 gay men so powerful it should be the primary concern of every bible thumper to stomp them out before we take on the whole poor people problem.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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scienceishonesty
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Message 133 of 380 (712643)
12-05-2013 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Faith
12-05-2013 12:35 PM


Re: Evidence's role in belief vs. knowledge
So what is the right kind of evidence I'm looking for? Is it a feeling of certainty that enters the brain or some other place in the body?

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Faith 
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Message 134 of 380 (712644)
12-05-2013 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by scienceishonesty
12-05-2013 12:49 PM


Re: Evidence's role in belief vs. knowledge
If you want to believe the recent Bible scholars, many of whom were unbelievers, over the 2000 year old understanding of the sources of scripture, you've made your choice. The Bible is to be believed, period.

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Faith 
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Message 135 of 380 (712645)
12-05-2013 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by scienceishonesty
12-05-2013 12:52 PM


Re: Evidence's role in belief vs. knowledge
God can show you, I can't. Ask Him.

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