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Message 181 of 591 (708218)
10-07-2013 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Phat
10-05-2013 6:02 PM


Re: Do good works cheerfully
It all depends whether you have more of a reverence for common sense than you do for faith. It may be possible to accept that our logic will steer us one way and our faith will steer us another.
That sounds like something you'd get from a fundy cult...
"Listen, this is going to be really hard to believe, and if you think about then you're probably not going to, so don't think about it and just accept it on faith that its true"
No, Phat, that's terrible advice.
What if you believed that humans were by nature competitive and selfish and thus believed that your thinking would inevitably lead you away from God and closer to self deification?
He'll still have the power to reach you. Being afraid of knowledge leading you from God, and therefore avoiding it to save faith, has got to be one of the most crippling disabilities that you can give to yourself.
God gave you a brain. Use it.

The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false. - St. Thomas Aquinas

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Message 182 of 591 (708228)
10-07-2013 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 180 by Phat
10-06-2013 8:46 PM


Re: Do good works cheerfully
Phat writes:
What if you believed that humans were by nature competitive and selfish and thus believed that your thinking would inevitably lead you away from God and closer to self deification?
That's a believing position, not a thinking position.

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Message 183 of 591 (708233)
10-07-2013 12:18 PM
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10-06-2013 8:46 PM


Re: Do good works cheerfully
quote:
What if you believed that humans were by nature competitive and selfish and thus believed that your thinking would inevitably lead you away from God and closer to self deification?
I'd say that you were engaging in psychological projection.
Think about it.

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Message 184 of 591 (709415)
10-26-2013 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Yaro
01-25-2004 8:52 PM


Re: Satan
Good and Evil as one god is Taoism, but I think Jehovah's witnesses may teach that Jesus and Satan are brothers.
Bible God Did Not Create Evil. He does turn evil against itself for good ends.
1 John 1: 5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
James 1:13 (King James Version) 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man
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Message 185 of 591 (709426)
10-26-2013 9:07 AM
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10-26-2013 8:07 AM


Re: Satan
Hi, welcome home. Pull up a stump and set a spell. You haven't read the Bible have you? If you had you'd realize that the author of Johns Gospel was trying to change Christianity to fit his mold and the the author of James was just flat wrong according to the Bible itself.
In the Bible God says He creates evil and calamity and also tempts people and even has His own personal tempter he sends out to do the tempting for Him.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 186 of 591 (709449)
10-26-2013 2:09 PM
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10-26-2013 9:07 AM


Re: Satan
I dont think you have really read the Bible either. Your idea of a God of logic, reason, and reality is...in reality...your own intellect attempting to explain scripture the way YOU think that it is.

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Message 187 of 591 (709452)
10-26-2013 2:28 PM
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10-26-2013 2:09 PM


Re: Satan
No Phat, it is not explaining scripture, it is pointing to what it actually says.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 188 of 591 (709453)
10-26-2013 2:46 PM
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10-26-2013 2:09 PM


Re: Satan
Yet, isn't that exactly what you do too?? (although toss out the science and logic).. don't you explain scripture on what YOU think it should be?
I know for sure that the Christian concept of Satan is vastly different than the Jewish concept.. that means the Christians interpreted it the way THEY thought it should be, and corrupted it.

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Message 189 of 591 (713305)
12-11-2013 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by ramoss
10-26-2013 2:46 PM


Christ and satan and the discussion of their debated reality.
Recently I found this forum and this is the first topic I'm offering response.I'm a witnessing Christian since after my birth 57 years ago and have never had a path I forced to the point that during my 20's my inconsistent agenda of worship probably irked some Clergy yet God has a purpose.
Christ historical or not goes beyond the contentions and actually reveals not the believers yet Science's perpetuated residence or escalated sense of compliance that Yeshua was a first Century ministry with the apostolic following.Once one witnesses or dismisses that than the revelation is which stories and words attributed to Him are believed or rejected.I have witnessed scientists who express that not until the end of the 20th. century during the 90's did they give their support of witnessing such a Man conducting a ministry with twelve apostles.
The writings of Josephus and some archeological evidence were the leveraging revelations that caused their founded agreeance.That is to say that Gaga such a Man existed of course.Their belief of the various New Testament texts witness of words and stories is another thing.There are clear contradictions amongst the synoptic books and John's gospel yet those contradictions reveal the supposition that John distinguishes himself from the others being he was present at Golgotha and no other apostles were.There's an unmistakable logic that can be detected from the New Testament books yet some seems only to be found via a believer and the revelations usually bring you to a place beyond contention.Belief locates the witness polarizingly beyond contentiousness.Communicating information because of inspired witness occurs and gradually
God's plan reveals itself either noticingly or without that self concious measured perception.One can simply express modern current manifestation and ask what is going on?Isuggest studying the Marian apparitions Lourdes France and Bernadette Soubirous-Fatima Portugal-Garabandal Spain and currently Medjugorge.Twice a month women named Miraja and Mirjana take messages via apparition and have been doing it since 1980 or 1981.They've recorded their entire conversation with "The Lady".Some of Mirjana's apparitional witnessing has been recorded and can easily be witnessed via the Internet.If you study the sprawling conversations since 1980 there are some beyond gems of revelation.The early conversations are rife with the seers questioning and the written down conversation is delvingly revealing though arduous to detect.My perceptions have been many and exacting yet you canstudy them yourselves.If you study Garabandal I suggest the You Tube Documentary called "Garabandal Warning" which lasts approximately 1hr.57 minutes.I merely skimmed it and transited from being a casual witness to a seriously inspired witness.The presentation is via a firm called Focus and the narrator is named Mary Lou Mc Call.She utters that this occurance between 1961-65 obviously changed these peoples' lives and witnessing the presentation could change ours.I can't see how anyone can witness the footage I did and not be beyond compelled.
One could begin with that and suggest a witness of Christ and His womb being Nazareth's Mary or actually mention Mary who lived at the base of Mt. Carmel with Joseph and Christ since haggling over a place mapped Nazareth usually occurs.Northern Essenes and Southern Essenes.This is my beginning forum conversation.My usual encounter is"Who's zooming who"?.Great wishes for your sincere conversation which doesn't presume your attitude or force what some call belief which is exactly what "The Lady"expressed.But don't think Satan ever fooled Her or any witnesses.Take care and God bless the blessed!Absolutely no twisted parallels!
Absolutely straight forward!Gary V. Giardina!This sent before 8:31 P.M. December 11th. 2013.
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Message 190 of 591 (713325)
12-12-2013 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 189 by OmniRedVT
12-11-2013 9:31 PM


Re: Christ and satan and the discussion of their debated reality.
If you want anyone to read that, i suggest you introduce some paragraphs, linebreaks and spaces after full stops. As it stands it's unreadable and unread.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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Message 191 of 591 (713327)
12-12-2013 3:32 AM
Reply to: Message 189 by OmniRedVT
12-11-2013 9:31 PM


Re: Christ and satan and the discussion of their debated reality.
Goodness gracious me. All I got from that was Recently I.....2013. You could start with 'inventing' some paragraphs.
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Message 192 of 591 (713339)
12-12-2013 9:01 AM
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12-12-2013 3:32 AM


Re: Christ and satan and the discussion of their debated reality.
Seems he is known on a few forums. Looks like he has been posting nonsense for years.
Someone Needs Attention (also known as the world's biggest ego)
He also has a few posts on Shalom Place Discussion Groups . They all seem to be the same incoherent nonsense.
Not worth engaging.
ABE
My favorite line from this nutball. This is from the first link.
quote:
I\'m a serious future Nationally published musical author whose optimizing a national literary project that additionally results with an epic major motion picture.
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Tangle
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Message 193 of 591 (713342)
12-12-2013 9:49 AM


Weird how so many nut jobs post like that - must be some brain defect.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

  
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Message 194 of 591 (713381)
12-12-2013 6:36 PM
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12-12-2013 3:06 AM


Re: Christ and satan and the discussion of their debated reality.
i suggest you introduce some paragraphs, linebreaks and spaces after full stops
I thought maybe he did have them in but the program bypassed them for some reason so I checked in "peek." No. They're not there either.

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Message 195 of 591 (713402)
12-13-2013 12:00 AM
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12-11-2013 9:31 PM


Re: Christ and satan and the discussion of their debated reality.
Effective communication involves correct punctuation .

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