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Phat Member Posts: 15108 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Because God imagined/created us long before we had even evolved the intelligence to "make Him up."
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frako Member Posts: 2931 From: slovenija Joined: |
so that's how we would notice if he died tomorrow?????
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Otto Tellick Member (Idle past 1161 days) Posts: 288 From: PA, USA Joined:
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I'm trying to work out what you mean by that... You seem to be saying: From the Christian and creationist point of view, the question "What's wrong with (non-Christian, non-creationist) people?" gets answered by those who have the POWER to answer according to Christian/creationist opinions, not necessarily those who have the truth. Did I understand you right? If so, I'm inclined to agree with you.
Right - and this line of thinking is based on the fact that all available observations of real-world evidence point to this conclusion. For instance, the particular details of DNA evidence that serve to establish paternity are of the same type, with the same truth value, as the details that establish the fact that all primates have a common ancestor, as do all mammals, as do all tetrapods. In order to deny the latter relations, you also need to deny the evidence used to establish paternity across a single generation.
And the existence of ring species is something that causes creationists to abandon or deny logical, evidence-based thinking.
And that's because it would be a serious mistake, going against all observation, to assert that "depleted genetic diversity is the necessary end result of evolutionary processes." That's not something that can be "recognized", because that isn't what the evidence demonstrates. autotelic adj. (of an entity or event) having within itself the purpose of its existence or happening.
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PlanManStan Member (Idle past 2518 days) Posts: 73 Joined: |
"Now can someone explain to me how this and worse can be still going on in the 21 century."
Unless every single individual gets a quality education (i.e. free from all this controversey over teaching what not, what I mean is teaching EVERYTHING) will everyone see the error in certain ways of thinking. This, of course, is impossible.
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PlanManStan Member (Idle past 2518 days) Posts: 73 Joined: |
God created us, but we evolved, what?
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shalamabobbi Member (Idle past 1679 days) Posts: 397 Joined:
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Something I notice when looking through creationist literature is the self-contradiction between the creationist explanations put forward to find fault with the scientific explanations. When focusing attention on just one topic at a time these contradictions aren't as noticeable. Only when you collect them all, do you begin to see that this creationist explanation contradicts that creationist explanation over there.
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This seems to be a recurring post, how the founder effect reduces genetic diversity, of course only by denying beneficial mutations, however rare. This is a direct contradiction with the idea that all mankind sprang from Adam and his cloned wife Eve who had very limited genetic diversity, a single pair that together had no more genetic diversity than a single individual. How do you explain all the genetic diversity that presently exists in the human population in 6,000 years time?? If it is by means of some sort of super genome, iirc Jar laid that one to rest in a thread about the DNA of the 5,000 year old ice man. quote:
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Coyote Member (Idle past 936 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Here's another good one. In the creationist artlcle, "The non-transitions in ‘human evolution’–on evolutionists’ terms," by John Woodmorappe, we find the following:
The relevant evidence clearly shows that Homo sapiens sensu lato is a separate and distinct entity from the other hominids. No overall evolutionary progression is to be found. Adam and Eve, and not the australopiths/habilines, are our actual ancestors. As pointed out by other creationists [e.g., Lubenow], Homo ergaster, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, and Homo neanderthalensis can best be understood as racial variants of modern man–all descended from Adam and Eve, and most likely arising after the separation of people groups after Babel. What if this wonderful bit of creationist “science” was actually correct? It would have the following implications, most of which run contrary to what creationists generally claim: The change from modern man, i.e., Adam and Eve, to these four species of fossil man took place since the Babel incident, which is usually placed after the global flood and in the range of 4,000 to 5,300 years ago. The change from modern man to Homo ergaster would require a rate of evolution on the order of several hundred times as rapid as scientists posit for the change from Homo ergaster to modern man! This is in spite of the fact that most creationists deny evolution occurs on this scale at all; now they have not only proposed such a change themselves, but see it several hundreds of times faster and in reverse! http://blog.darwincentral.org/...-at-creation-science-part-i Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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