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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm glad they can find coal though I don't see what that has to do with unknowables about the past. I don't think they had a lot of problem finding coal before Old Earth theory came along did they? But if the Grand Canyon was clearly not laid down layer by layer over millions of years that wrecks Old Earth theory and whatever science gets right is something else.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Faith writes: I don't think they had a lot of problem finding coal before Old Earth theory came along did they? That was pretty much at the beginning of the industrial revolution and the coal they found then was exposed at the surface or discovered as a result of mining for other minerals.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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IOW we would be far from finding the coal we have found without mainstream geology.
How would Faith find coal? Prayer?
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I'm glad they can find coal though I don't see what that has to do with unknowables about the past. Scientists can use what you are referring to as "speculations" and make accurate predictions of where coal can be found. If their "speculations" were really just speculations, then they wouldn't be so right all the time and their track record would be bad. But its not, because they actually do know what they are talking about. People really can figure out stuff about the past without any witnesses.
I don't think they had a lot of problem finding coal before Old Earth theory came along did they? Not just stumbling across some coal, but learning about what kind of environment causes coal to form, and then using that knowledge to locate where coal will be found if a particular location is drilled. If you are correct that its just "speculations" about the past, then there'd be no reason why the scientists can accurately predict where it will be found. And their accurate predictions are based on the fact that it takes 100's of millions of years for coal to form:
Scientists have studied how those processes work today and they apply that knowledge to what we know about the past. They can use those "specualtion" to make accurate predictions. That means that they are correct.
But if the Grand Canyon was clearly not laid down layer by layer over millions of years that wrecks Old Earth theory and whatever science gets right is something else. The strata that the Grand Canyon cuts through was laid down layer by layer over millions of years. That's not just a wild speculation on the scientists' part, that's a conclusion that was reached through the study of the evidence from the layers, themselves, and the processes that form strata like that.
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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But if the Grand Canyon was clearly not laid down layer by layer over millions of years that wrecks Old Earth theory and whatever science gets right is something else. We still have only your assertions that the GC was not laid down layer by layer over millions of years, and none of your "explanations" are in accord with the observed facts.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
JonF writes: How would Faith find coal? Prayer? Nope, she would look for pictures in a book.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You obviously haven't bothered to read or think about anything I've written, or you can't understand it due to theory-blindness which I think is a lot of th eproblem here, because there is PLENTY of evidence there from observed facts that the Old Earth doesn't work.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
"what kind of environment causes coal" doesn't require any idea about millions of years.
I've SHOWN that the layers wree not laid down over millions of yeaers. You just have to THINK about the evidence given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So where's the evidence for that? In the fact that the boulder traveled a wuarter of a mile from its origin pointl ought to be sufficient evidence. Plus the fact that there is no way for it to have gotten into the sediments otherwise than being broken off along with the scraping between the layers. You said it's common to find rocks from lower levels in higher ones. That should call the whole theory into question which of course I'd have taken note of if it were all that common but oddly it's never come up. And it should be pretty hard to explain on Old Earth theory.
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"what kind of environment causes coal" doesn't require any idea about millions of years. Sure it does. Didn't you look at the picture? Ancients forests from 100's of millions of years ago were converted into coal over those millions of years.
I've SHOWN that the layers wree not laid down over millions of yeaers. You just have to THINK about the evidence given. I've thought about what you've posted, and nothing you've posted shows that the layers were not laid down over millions of years. Its not that we are blind or biased, its that you're wrong.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Faith writes: I've SHOWN that the layers wree not laid down over millions of yeaers. You just have to THINK about the evidence given. No, you have not "shown that the layers were not laid down over millions of years". You have made up a bunch of silly, blind assertions that you fantasized in your head and that are completely un-evidenced. Not only are they un-evidenced but they are completely refuted by the actual evidence that anyone can go and look at and touch. There is not one single post in this thread where YOU have shown anything....no evidence, nada, ziltch. That you could think and say that you have shown anything, with a straight face shows just how deluded you are.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Obviously you haven't read or thought about any of it. I noticed you even jeered my post about the fault lines which was agreeing with one of YOUr guys. You aren't reading or thinking about anything I've said.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No you haven't thought about anhy of it because I've given good arguments on good evidence.
Those forests are not millions of hyars old. And you can actrually SEE coal seams forming between the layers in road cuts in some places in the country. Coal is caused by the compression of vegetation which would have happened at certain layers in the Flood. One thing that does seem to be true is that the same layers occur at the same levels so you only need to know the level, not the age.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: That rather suggests that it was transported on the surface, which doesn't support your view at all.
quote: I'd say that it was eroded out of a surface formation and moved along the surface, settling onto the sediment as it was deposited.
quote: All you need for fragments of older rocks to be found in younger rocks is for pieces to be eroded out of the older rocks and deposited in a place where the new rocks will eventually form. Given an old Earth it would be amazing if it DIDN'T happen.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Faith writes: Obviously you haven't read or thought about any of it. I have read it and thought about it, but there is no evidence to back you up. Just you saying the same thing over and over and then whining that "You aren't reading or thinking about anything I've said." After reading and thinking about what you are saying, I am saying that you are wrong and that is what the evidence all shows.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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