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indeed, however I have a bigger question for you And why does the canyon cross higher land than either of these two paths?EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : piclink

That makes absolutely no sense, Faith. Are you suggesting the canyon is evolving independently from the river?

I give up. If I keep coming back here I'll go stark raving bonkers or have a stroke or something.

Just to help Faith understand the scale, the width of this meander is about one mile: Also, Faith, if you click on the image to blow it up to full size and focus in on the high point on the inside of the meander you'll see that the slope descends from the peak in a series of ridges. Each ridge is covered with scree which has eroded from the ridges above. Each ridge represents a former level of the river. The river erodes to a lower level as the region uplifts. The exposed levels of the riverbank are subjected to the erosion and gradually retreat from the edge of the river. The longer the edges of the riverbank are exposed to erosion the more they retreat from the edge of the river. The highest levels have been exposed the longest and so have retreated the furthest.It takes a great deal of time for rock to erode away. The great amount of slope retreat shown in this image is more and very obvious evidence for an ancient river.--Percy

I don't believe it. Shall I scream and tear my hair out?

cognitive dissonance causes discomfort when strong beliefs run counter to facts.you could be near, be careful

The level of delusion here is beyond belief.

What you had said that RoxRKool questioned was this in Message 882: The reason RoxRKool said this makes no sense is because the river carves the canyon. A canyon carved into rock is a record of the river eroding downward into an uplifting region for thousands and millions of years. The reason the canyon is so much wider than the river is because of slope retreat, which also takes a very long time.And as I pointed out in Message 889, the width of this meander is about one mile, showing the river *and* the canyon taking the very same (in your words) "tight HAIRPIN turn": A mile is about on the same scale as the meanders for any river, which poking around a bit seem to range in width from a few hundred feet to a couple miles.--Percy

I would suggest examining the evidence and seeking explanations consistent with physical laws and what we already know about the way nature behaves.--Percy

You know, it seems kind of ridiculous that you should be in this thread all by yourself. Bolder-dash and Marc9000 recently checked in after long hiatuses over at the The smoldering of EVC thread, and Marc even commented about what he felt was shabby treatment of you. Why don't you PM them and see if they'll help you out here?--Percy

Hilarious!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha! You are SOOOOOOO funny.

If you look at the satellite photo I provided you can see both large-scale meanders and small-scale meanders. Note the small-scale (relatively speaking) meanders Percy and others have posted. I'm sure you aren't arguing that the canyon doesn't meander because there is photographic proof before your eyes that it does. I think you have accepted (or at least are beginning to accept) that the Flood could not have produced such meanders and that is why you are trying to minimize them. But the meanders of the GC, both large and small, show that the Flood did not create it and by extension that the earth is not young.

Suggestion for your new avatar: --Percy

Oh balderdash. The river created the meanders, the river was the last stage, it was left over from the Flood, it was not the Flood. What is the matter with you people?