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petrophysics1
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Message 79 of 1896 (713469)
12-13-2013 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Faith
12-13-2013 8:00 AM


How did you determine this?
Hi Faith,
So you have determined that all the sedimentary rocks in the world are the result of a worldwide flood.
How did you do that?
Suppose you and I go to somewhere in the Western U.S. where there are a lot of sedimentary rocks exposed. You have not read anything about this area. Please explain to me the procedure you follow to determine the depositional environment.
You have stated the sedimentary rocks are the result of THE FLOOD, so you have determined the depositional environment. Therefore you must have a procedure to determine depositional environments.
Tell me what it is. Then we can all compare what I do as a petroleum exploration geologist, which I will post after you answer, to what you do and have done.
The readers can then decide which of us is a nut.
P.S. I want to be clear. You are in the field in a place you have never been before, don't know the names of any formations or their ages. What is your procedure for figuring out their depositional environments and history. Please go through this step by step, so others know how to do this.
P.P.S. Honest and ethical people admit when they don't know how to do something.

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Message 130 of 1896 (713586)
12-14-2013 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Faith
12-13-2013 4:24 PM


Re: How did you determine this?
Hi Faith,
I'm sure you know the difference between a conclusion and a procedure. You gave me your conclusions. That is not what I asked.
What I asked was this:
I want to be clear. You are in the field in a place you have never been before, don't know the names of any formations or their ages. What is your procedure for figuring out their depositional environments and history. Please go through this step by step, so others know how to do this.
Please answer the question.
Thanks

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petrophysics1
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Message 295 of 1896 (713867)
12-17-2013 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by Percy
12-17-2013 9:48 AM


How did you determine this?
Hi Percy,
There isn't any money to be made studying the Grand Canyon unless you are passing a collection plate around. Basins which contain oil and gas have been studied far more than the GC and they have maybe 6X as much sedimentary rock in them.
I have asked Faith three times to explain her procedure for determining depositional environments. She has not answered because I believe she doesn't have one. That's the only way I can see she can be so consistently wrong.
However I've noticed that you are as well telling us what the depositional environments and history are. So what is your procedure for doing that? Are you just repeating something someone else told you?
If I blow up Mt. St. Helens big time, so ash falls all the way to South Dakota, is that layer horizontal? Does it follow the topography? Is it thicker near the volcano than 1000 miles away? If it is, that's not horizontal deposition. You have stated deposition is horizontal, but it is not. I need to know how you did that so your procedure can be corrected.
To be clear, like with Faith, you are out in the field and just have exposed rocks, no information about them. What is your procedure to determine their depositional environment and history?
I don't believe you know what to do. I know Faith doesn't. Let's see how honest you are compared to our YEC, Faith.

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Message 971 of 1896 (715482)
01-05-2014 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 958 by Faith
01-05-2014 3:22 PM


The Strata Speak but you don't know crap about them
Hi Faith,
Some time back I asked you three times to tell me how you determined the depositional evironment from the rocks you see.
You are out in the field, know nothing about the rocks. What do you do?
You did not answer with a procedure to follow because you in fact don't know what you are doing which is quite clear.
You are repeating BS other people told you and actually have no way of knowing if it is true or not.
Your conclusions are smoke blown out your ass, otherwise you could tell me how you came to them.
Let's be honest. I watched you be told over 4 times that a crossection had a different vertical scale than it's horizontal scale. You had no clue what that meant, and went on and on about how could the rocks have been bent so much. They were bent about 0.9 degrees.
Then you post a map of Mississippian age rocks and claim the Redwall Limestone goes all the way from the GC to the UK. You appear to be so dense you do not realize that what you posted is not a formation map. It's just a map of where Mississippian age rocks of whatever kind exist.
Your concept of formations spanning continents is not true, you do not know what you are talking about.
Once again for the fifth time, you are out in the field, what do you do to determine the depositional environment of the rocks you see. What procedure do you follow?

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petrophysics1
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Message 982 of 1896 (715503)
01-05-2014 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 973 by Percy
01-05-2014 8:14 PM


Re: The Strata Speak but you don't know crap about them
Percy writes:
Faith might not exactly understand what you're asking, so just for clarity let explain that you're asking how she might evaluate a sedimentary layer such as one might find exposed at the Grand Canyon to determine what conditions were like when the sedimentary layer was first deposited.
Percy
I am not asking for evaluations or interpretations.
Put in the field with rocks you know nothing about what is the first thing you do?
Can't answer that, and I already know Faith can't, I know she doesn't know shit about the SCIENCE of geology.
If you can't answer as well ,you could always ask, after all I have spent 37 years working as a petroleum geologist

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petrophysics1
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Message 996 of 1896 (715591)
01-07-2014 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 983 by Percy
01-06-2014 10:31 AM


Re: The Strata Speak but you don't know crap about them
Hi Petrophysics,
This thread isn't about who has field skills in geology. It's about the implications of the evidence that geologists have already gathered.
--Percy
You are completely right. My asking Faith for her scientific procedure to determine depositional environments is off topic.
I understand that buying 10 postcards of the Grand Canyon, looking at them and saying, "Even an idoit can see this is deposited by a worldwide flood.", is exactly the same as what I do as a geologist.
Don't worry I will not bring up the differences between what I do and what Faith and other YECs do again on this thread.
Why don't you Google a few hundred more geologic papers you don't understand and post them for Faith, maybe you can change her mind.

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