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We appreciate them as much as they deserve. ... oh, wait, were you talking about yourself? Well that's just adorable.

Do I have to mark those pictures myself to show that the connection with the rock above the Coconino is STRAIGHT, not razor straight but straight? The slight irregularity you marked obviously occurred as a result of erosion AFTER deposition, as did that whole slope above it. In any case it is NOT DUNE SHAPED. THAT is what you have to explain as possible with an aerially produced sand dune. How you get DUNE shapes into a flat squared-off ROCK pancake. The crossbedding is cut off by a STRAIGHT line. EXPLAIN HOW THAT IS POSSIBLE WITH SAND DUNES WHEN SAND DUNES NORMALLY FORM DUNE SHAPES. You do know what dunes look like, don't you? You know, they do NOT have flat tops, they form hills with slopes and peaks and all that. They do NOT LAY THEMSELVES OUT FLAT, WITH FLAT SURFACES.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I found no question of yours to answer.ABE: Found one and answered it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I see I was wrong about the shape of riverbeds, so thanks for that. Nevertheless there is something really strange about this "riverbed" being filled with limestone instead of pebbles and the usual river bottom debris.Let's just be clear that what I have been saying all along is that NORMAL EROSION is not seen between the layers, and THIS IS NOT NORMAL EROSION either. Normal erosion ought to make the connection line between the rocks highly ragged and irregular. This is just a half moon shape in limestone filled in with limestone while the layer above makes a STRAIGHT LINE connection with it. The whole formation is saggy and lumpy, deformation which occurred after deposition of the whole stack, but the connection line was clearly straight and horizontal originally, NOT what one would see from a long time at the surface of the earth.As I said, I don't know how to explain this, but your explanation is certainly not acceptable. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Well, you might as well get ready to welcome them, they're coming.

You may have inadvertently said something true. For it to be consistent with your usual nonsense, I think you meant to pretend that the erosion happened after the deposition of the Toroweap. Just saying "after deposition" leaves you in danger of saying something sensible. It's called erosion, Faith. I may have mentioned it now and then.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Religious fanatics are already here, they just happen to be christian fanatics (you know, those people that blow up women's clinics and shoot doctors because of fanatical religious beliefs).It's the fanaticism that is dangerous, no matter the source.Enjoy

Well, it's not that strange, since even you can understand it ... some of the time ... And this is what happened, Faith.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

You are either not understanding the question or you are deliberately refusing to. You have to explain how LOOSE SAND got into the shape of a FLAT-TOPPED and FLAT-BOTTOMED ROCK that extends for thousands of square miles.As for the answer "erosion," that's ridiculous! Erosion would not form a FLAT surface.And yes, I DID mean to say the erosion that is obvious in the picture occurred after the deposition of THE ENTIRE STACK.
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Right, all us Christians are out there blowing things up of course and murdering people. We're all just the same, all us religious fanatics. Remember that when the Muslims are about to hack off your head because you won't accept Allah.

Or you're not understanding the answer. The shape of the bottom conforms to the underlying rock. As for the shape of the top, if it was, as you claim, loose sand during the marine transgression, that would make it even easier. The angle of repose of dry sand is impossible for wet sand, the dunes would slump, and the action of the tide would tend to flatten out the sand. But I'm not convinced you're right on this point. Perhaps you should have a quiet word with yourself and decide whether you want to deny that the erosion exists, or assert that it occurred after the deposition of the entire stack.Or you could say something that isn't jaw-droppingly silly.

Thank you. ... and yet (a) it is a different limestone (b) the riverbed will be filled by something if there is another layer of deposition and (c) if the next layer is limestone then it is logical for this to fill the channel. They don't say it is pure limestone.USGS URL Resolution Error Page

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Temple Butte Formation (Upper and Middle Devonian)Purple, reddish-purple, darkgray, and light-gray, ledge-forming dolomite, sandy dolomite, sandstone, mudstone, and limestone as defined by Beus (1990). Purple, reddish-purple, and lightgray, fine- to coarse-grained, thin- to medium-bedded, ripple-laminated ledges of mudstone, sandstone, dolomite, and conglomerate fill channels eroded into the underlying Cambrian strata; channels are as much as 100 ft (30 m) deep in eastern half of map area, and about 40 ft (12 m) deep in western half of map area. Channel deposits are overlain by dark-gray to olive-gray, medium- to thick-bedded dolomite, sandy dolomite, limestone, and sandstone. Unit as a whole forms sequence of dark-gray ledges. Unconformity at base of unit represents major stratigraphic break in Paleozoic rock record in the Grand Canyon, spanning part of Late Cambrian, all of Ordovician and Silurian, and most of Early and Middle Devonian time, about 100 million years. Dark-gray Devonian rocks are distinguished from underlying light-gray Cambrian rocks by color contrast. Unit thickens from about 50 ft (15 m) in eastern half of map area to as much as 275 ft (84 m) in western half of map area, excluding local channel deposit thickness.

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bold added for emphasisLooks like the channels were filled with rubble and then overlain by a more homogeneous sediment. ... when you close your eyes to it. Wrong again. ... and wrong again.Other sections are different shapes, as would be expected.The top and the bottom surfaces (neglecting the obvious variations from erosion) form a long wedge shape from one end of the canyon to the other -- again as would be expected per roxrkool's post -- so one or the other (or both) violates your flat surfaces concept. The western end is 5 times the thickness of the eastern end. ... and wrong once again.The tops and bottoms of each of the four (count 'em ↠ 4 ↞ ...) layers are not saggy, lumpy or deformed in the same way at any point, each is different -- as would be expected from erosion. As I said, geologists do know how to explain this, but your explanation is certainly doesn't work.Enjoy.

Such as the following fantasy sequence, I would suppose? Surface is deposited? You mean pure calcareous ooze is deposited over a huge area? But that occurs in "shallow seas" as I understand how limestone forms according to orthodox establishment Geology. So how is it that the next thing that happens is that "rivers form" in this calcareous ooze? Did you leave out the step of the ooze being exposed at the surface to dry out or something like that, cuz otherwise you aren't going to get any rivers running across it.How does ooze lithify by the way, with nothing pressing on it from above?Then later, like clockwork, hey it occurs to EVERY layer in the stack somehow or other, kind of like the Emperor's New Clothes I'd say, this DIFFERENT sediment, well, in this case it's just another calcareous ooze that's going to form a different limestone but it COULD have been sand dunes, har har har, ahem, so this sediment just magically appears and deposits itself very very neatly and flatly over this landscape with the running river, gosh I could nearly choke on my amusement, but anyway this sediment covers up everything, which oddly enough doesn't preserve the shape of that everything because when it's all hardened into the strata stack it will have this nice straight line below and above it -- oh of course except for that half moon "riverbed" but the pure limestone "land" around it will somehow have been magically flattened out, no hills or valleys or gullies, just the nice straight line between the rocks so that the new sediment that then magically appears after all this will make a nice flat connection with the Muav/Temple limestone... ah well. Of course it's ONLY in limestone that we see these "riverbeds," it's got something to do with that particular sediment or its rock form, oddly enough. Well calcareous ooze doesn't normally get traversed by rivers anyway being as how it's underwater don't you know, but in RAZD's universe somehow this happens quite regularly, along with this clockwork-predictable "sedimentation" that always shows up to bury the former "landscape" so that we can have an entirely NEW rock above it.And it shows up RIGHT ON TIME, too, never too early so that it mingles with the calcareous ooze, but just in time to neatly and cleanly cover it completely with brand new sediment. Shouldn't Science formulate a new Law to express this absolutely predictable occurrence? Except, of course, for the facts I've suggested above. Such as that calcareous ooze deposits underwater, and that it is only in limestone that we see these odd "riverbed" type dips. Nice simple processes, yup, but truly fantasy processes when you actually THINK about what is being said.Now of course you CAN get a meandering stream between the layers of limestone, in the real world that is. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Not all Christians are religious fanatics just as not all Muslims are religious fanatics, and it doesn't matter which branch of religion a religious fanatic is from if they threaten lives.

Somehow you LIKE that idea. But the fact is that the Christian religion instructs believers against acts of violence, so that when it occurs it is in violation of what Christianity teaches, whereas the texts of Islam itself teach that it's good to murder "infidels." Doesn't matter to you of course, you LIKE thinking it's all the same.