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Thank you. ... and yet (a) it is a different limestone (b) the riverbed will be filled by something if there is another layer of deposition and (c) if the next layer is limestone then it is logical for this to fill the channel. They don't say it is pure limestone.USGS URL Resolution Error Page

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Temple Butte Formation (Upper and Middle Devonian)Purple, reddish-purple, darkgray, and light-gray, ledge-forming dolomite, sandy dolomite, sandstone, mudstone, and limestone as defined by Beus (1990). Purple, reddish-purple, and lightgray, fine- to coarse-grained, thin- to medium-bedded, ripple-laminated ledges of mudstone, sandstone, dolomite, and conglomerate fill channels eroded into the underlying Cambrian strata; channels are as much as 100 ft (30 m) deep in eastern half of map area, and about 40 ft (12 m) deep in western half of map area. Channel deposits are overlain by dark-gray to olive-gray, medium- to thick-bedded dolomite, sandy dolomite, limestone, and sandstone. Unit as a whole forms sequence of dark-gray ledges. Unconformity at base of unit represents major stratigraphic break in Paleozoic rock record in the Grand Canyon, spanning part of Late Cambrian, all of Ordovician and Silurian, and most of Early and Middle Devonian time, about 100 million years. Dark-gray Devonian rocks are distinguished from underlying light-gray Cambrian rocks by color contrast. Unit thickens from about 50 ft (15 m) in eastern half of map area to as much as 275 ft (84 m) in western half of map area, excluding local channel deposit thickness.

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bold added for emphasisLooks like the channels were filled with rubble and then overlain by a more homogeneous sediment. ... when you close your eyes to it. Wrong again. ... and wrong again.Other sections are different shapes, as would be expected.The top and the bottom surfaces (neglecting the obvious variations from erosion) form a long wedge shape from one end of the canyon to the other -- again as would be expected per roxrkool's post -- so one or the other (or both) violates your flat surfaces concept. The western end is 5 times the thickness of the eastern end. ... and wrong once again.The tops and bottoms of each of the four (count 'em ↠ 4 ↞ ...) layers are not saggy, lumpy or deformed in the same way at any point, each is different -- as would be expected from erosion. As I said, geologists do know how to explain this, but your explanation is certainly doesn't work.Enjoy.

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Several ways. See Limestone - Wikipedia and note that to cover all the different kinds of limestone, their compositions and formation process would fill a page. Not quite.The fact that erosion has occurred is not because of clockwork or any plan, rather erosion occurred because the surface was exposed. For a long time.And yes the different layers of limestone have different compositions, hence the difference in colors and contents. (again see the wiki article Limestone - Wikipedia) It's only in limestone that the evidence has been observed, not because they are limestone, but because that is what was on top when the erosion that is observed occurred. Ever heard of the argument from incredulity logical fallacy?What has happened is what has happened, it was not a predetermined sequence of events. Facts? I must have missed those in the flood of frantic fantasy. Show me.Enjoy

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Cognitive dissonance. Isn't it amazing how much your undereducated opinion is completely unable to alter reality.

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Message 1014: That's erosional unconformities

1. on the top of the Muav formation
2. on the top of the Temple Butte formation
3. on the top of the Redwall formation, and
4. on the top of the Surprise Canyon formation

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But you will deny it and curl up in your armchair and say you can't see it so therefore it doesn't exist.

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That's four surface levels that exhibit the effects of erosion in addition to the Great Unconformity. You have yet to show an example of such erosion that meticulously sticks to the boundary between two limestone layers, eroding down into one and not up into the other, layers you claim are level so there would be no grade to the flow ...This of course is because no such erosion pattern exists. Curiously you are the one denying objective empirical observable evidence, and unable to support your fantasy with evidence.Enjoy.

Message 448What the maps show is deposits of the same age, not necessarily the same rock formation as Faith has misinterpreted it.Enjoy.

And when spring floods occur, the water over the flood plain will be slowing down and depositing fine material as well. This is why flood plains are such good places for agricultural use -- they have good soil because of this process.The larger stones will be deposited near the baseline of the river where it exits the erosion area (mountains) in an alluvial fan. Finer sediments get carried further.One need only look at the muck deposited in and around buildings during floods to see that this consists of fine deposits rather than gravels and sand. Floating organic debris is also carried by flood waters to the flood plains.Edited by RAZD, : .

And more to the point why did it skip some places but deposit all around it and then put another layer on top of both.It like the mystery of the dog that didn't bark ...Enjoyps cars do float. for a while ...

I read that as identifying where the unconformity lies in the sequence and which age the Redwall formation is in.Perhaps HBD will clarify.

And yet this "HUGE cataclysm" erosion started up the slope of a rise that was 1600 ft higher than the pass to the north, which at the level of the rim at the ridge crossing was miles wider than anywhere in the canyon ...... and the canyon ridge crossing was 800 ft higher that the pass to the south, which also was miles wider than anywhere in the canyon ... Compare the distance between the red lines in these two locations to the width of the grand canyon in the first picture ...And there is absolutely no evidence of any water carved channel across either of the passes.The purported flood somehow started well over the tops of these features but in the process of drainage somehow missed these wide open locations that would have carried several times the outflow you imagine for the Grand Canyon.Why?See If Caused By Flood Drainage Why is the Grand Canyon Where It IS? for more details.

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And it did all this without leaving any trace of any water erosion channel from cataclysmic water flow in either of the north or south locations.Or carving a canyon larger than the Grand Canyon in either location ... which should have happened according to your model.Nothing.How?

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I believe her model has the ocean bottoms sinking catastrophically as mountains rose, contrary to any know tectonic behavior, and meanwhile the middle east plate was perfectly stationary while everything else moved across oceans and even though the ark landed on a mountain that was formed within days by tectonic action so that Noah and family would not notice any shaking aftereffects.Perfectly reasonable eh?

To the ocean that was also flooded ... but the bottoms suddenly sank catastrophically ... yes?No massive tidal waves eh?None south to the Rio Grande?Curious that I can look at virtually every river basin and see meandering streams and no catastrophic channeling.Edited by RAZD, : .

They were deposited before the uplift, if you remember that is before the river was cutting meanders into the floodplain.

What are those? Is this different from the Grand Canyon? Why no catastrophic channel evidence Faith -- NONE. What you have are meandering streams with alluvial depositions in the flood plains and yes, they are stratified.