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IrishRockhound Member (Idle past 4436 days) Posts: 569 From: Ireland Joined: |
Hey guys, hope this is in the right forum...
Some of you might have noticed that http://www.christiansunite.com have decided to shut down their creationism/evolution forum. Here's the notice:
quote: The link won't work after Monday, obviously. On one hand, I'm disappointed because I really enjoyed debating in that forum. On the other hand, it almost feels like a victory for evolution - rather then see the debate move to its natural conclusion, the moderators killed it before it got too dangerous. Like sticking your fingers in your ears and going "Lah lah lah I can't hear you" will make the problem go away. But I also think it's so much better for evolution to be debated in a scientific forum lke this one, rather than one dedicated to a particular religion. So I kind of agree with the decision. Ok, getting to a point here... should the creationism/evolution debate be restricted to scientific forums? Or should Christian forums be in on it too, seeing as they have a vested interest in the outcome? I honestly don't know, myself. I really think that such forums on Christian sites should be supported, because people should be informed and should have an area to discuss their opinions. The Rock Hound
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zephyr Member (Idle past 4550 days) Posts: 821 From: FOB Taji, Iraq Joined: |
Do you feel like the moderation is fair on many of those sites?
I lack the time to even keep up very well here, and haven't really been offsite in the e-vs-c arena except when someone here linked to a good topic... but it seems like many have such heavily biased moderation (to the point of censorship) that the discussion may not be informative to the ignorant.
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:æ:  Suspended Member (Idle past 7185 days) Posts: 423 Joined: |
IrishRockHound writes:
If Evangelical Christian Orthodoxy (which typically includes a belief in YEC) had no reason to hide from plain facts and evidence, then I would think that they would openly welcome such discussion. Unfortunately it appears that they do need to stick their fingers in their ears and sing "La La La La!!" since certain tenets of their faith are obviously contradicted by reality. ...should the creationism/evolution debate be restricted to scientific forums? Or should Christian forums be in on it too, seeing as they have a vested interest in the outcome? I think that its high time that contemporary religious fundamentalist YECs like those at ChristiansUnite come to terms with the facts. Nobody is requiring them to relinquish their faith entirely, but if they are going to claim that they hold the one-and-only Absolute Truth(tm), then they should be willing to subject it to rigorous scrutiny. Closing down the C/E forum at their site seems to imply that they are not so willing. A favorite poster of mine from another forum always had this quote from Arthur C. Clarke in his sig: "A faith that cannot survive a collision with the truth is not worth many regrets"
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Well, if the forum were dedicated to issues concerning a particular religion or denomination, and it was felt that the theory of evolution was relevant to the beliefs of that group, then, yes, I can't imagine how evolution could not be discussed. Unless it was such a controversial topic that it distracted from what the site managers felt is the purpose of their forum.
It seems to me that if someone puts up and maintains a website, it is for them to decide on the purpose of that site and what is relevant to that purpose. Of course, it does seem rather unethical if the content is determined solely for their propaganda value.
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
That makes me wonder... Almost all religious forums that talks about e vs c are Christian. As a Muslim I am still looking for an Islamic site that features the e vs c debate, regardless of their affiliation. The creationists among Muslims (eg Harun Yahya) does not set up any forum in their many sites. And the evolutionists are silent.
Just a rant.
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Andya Primanda Inactive Member |
sorry double post
[This message has been edited by Andya Primanda, 12-05-2003]
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IrishRockhound Member (Idle past 4436 days) Posts: 569 From: Ireland Joined: |
What I found to be a little unfair was the rule that no one could 'blaspheme' (sp?) about Christianity, but the creos could slander evolution and evolutionists all they want. There was a definite double standard. Other than that, the moderating was more or less non-existant.
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Rand Al'Thor Inactive Member |
Well this isn't very surprising. This is just another example of Christians just ignoring problems with their beliefs. To use your words going "Lah lah lah I can't hear you"
If the people that ran that website really wanted to improve their religion and be open minded they would have kept the forum open indefinitely. But, I think that this does show that evolution is considered a threat by Christians and their leaders. Hopefully the closure of that forum will prompt some Christians to think independently for once and come over to scientific forums like this one to debate their beliefs.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
There are, imo, some basic flaws in the understanding of some fundamentalistic think tanks on origins which have been ingrained into evangelicals, liminiting their ability to refute their ideological counterparts. Here are a few:
1. The illogical and unscriptural idea that the earth and the universe is only 6000 years old. This leaves God all alone out in space with nothing around him and nothing to do throughout the previous eons of eternity. They are not understanding Genesis one. 2. The conventional understanding of the dinosaurs is flawed. They were serpents and the original serpents of Genesis one were cursed and changed into the belly crawling reptiles we see today. Thus NONE of the dinosaurs were in the ark. 3. Too many Christians are simply too lazy to do the homework on this stuff and things like the prophecies so as to effectively debate those of their counterparts who have done their homework. I may not agree with the doctrines of the resident evos here in town, but I have certainly come to respect that most have done their homework on presenting their side of the debate. I've also learned that you don't charge into a debate with the locals gangbuster style and expect to survive ideologically. They keep us honest. The challenge for us is to keep them also accountable, forthright and honest in presenting their views. It took me six pages in the young sun thread to accomplish this on the issue of appearance of age, though nobody will likely admit to that.
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5033 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
I actually NOW after years of writing see the whole thing as a "seamles" whole- so I really can not answer this kind of question. Mostl likely it really comes down to having enough dough to keep molding the best visual attractive cyberspace to keep a certain kind of atmosphere. But that is simly the audio dept of c/e overtaking any electron. Technology is not C/E preciesly in the sense that Gould noticed Paley saying adaptively that there is something that is not "prefection" but 'above' any amount of computation. There are attempts to make the "comptuer" something that is not only better calcuating device and it is likely this trend and not any "interst" that may have influenced such a decision. I for one would not want the "two" isps or subnet mask social enginerring to control the KIND OF LINGUISTICS that predominates but if one follows Chomsky....I do not.
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