and these people vote?

Hmmm, actually an interesting musing. Frmiet sculpted "Gorille enlevant une femme" around 1887, after Poe's short story was publihsed in 1841, just across the channel. I wonder if Frmiet ever read Poe's story and became inspired.And from this ape icon influenced yet another, . . . I wonder if Merian Cooper, the man who created the story of King Kong in 1933, ever saw Frmiet's sculpture and it inspired him in kind.Ape's weren't very well represented in them there unenlightened days, were they?

I was taking a swipe at #19. Guess I didn't get my tongue deep enough into my cheek.But, since you bring it up, my ex is still available if you would like an introduction. Please?

Thanks but I have several of those already.

One of the women here at my work was a travel agent in a previous life. She tells of a woman who went on a vacation to New Orleans and then complained that she had been booked into a hotel in a "bad part of town. There were black people everywhere!"Really......

gorilla my dreams
you're a cheetah it seems
why are you lion to me?
(don't panda to me I can't bear it)

I think you've gotten the definitions a little muddled.A 'tourist' is someone who goes to see a place different from where they live for recreational purposes.A 'traveller' is someone who does the same thing whilst pontificating about how much more significant and meaningful their experience is than typical tourists.

So, to use photos in your example, you think these 'tourists:' are having the exact same significant and meaningful experience as these 'travelers': Okay, whatever you say Pops.(BTW, I still want to make clear, even seniors who go on climate- and culture- controlled bus tours are still doing a HELLAVA lot more than the person who just sits home and watches television.)Edited by dronester, : added parantheseis remark

As we keep telling those Christians who have to have "meaning" spoonfed to them: everybody sets their own standards for meaning. Just meeting the other people on the bus might be more meaningful for many people than seeing yet another mountain up close.(And I hear they're going to start a bus service to the top of Mount Everest pretty soon.)

Yes, they sure try to. And look where that leads us . . .If true, then this experience/meaning: CAN BE equal to this experience/meaning: and then that can be equal to this experience/meaning: and then that can be equal to this experience/meaning: and then that can be equal to this experience/meaning: So, if you really want to argue that the experiences of a comatose person CAN be just as rewarding as a person who climbed Everest, be my guest.(Ringo, didn't you also debate with me that Hitler's philosophy was also a possible legitimate way of life?)(Would love to see the reference to a bus ride up to the TOP of EVEREST, link please)

I didn't say that every experience is equally rewarding. I said that different experiences can also be rewarding. Again, meeting interesting people on a "boring" bus tour might be comparable to meeting a boring person on top of Mount Everest. Hint: it isn't always the scenery that's worthwhile. I don't recall but I probably could argue that position, yes.

That's kinda what you're doing here. Dear 'ol Crashfrog would often play the frustrating equal/not-equal relativist card with me too. That sounds like the beeping of a truck backing up. So to confirm, you do not agree with Caffiene that tourist and travelers have equal rewarding experiences, okay, check.I am talking about the rule and the exception . . .Yes, I think I can imagine it POSSIBLE that a tourist riding on a bus, against miraculous odds (perhaps only in Einsteinian theory), CAN have an 'equal' experience to a person summitting Mount Everest. And as you slide the activities/experiences down to that of a comatose person, the odds continue to plummet to NEVER having a similar comparable experience as a person who climbed Everest.Thusly, this truism remains: a 'traveler' will almost always have a deeper experience than a 'tourist', who will almost always have a deeper experience than a television-watcher, who will almost always have a deeper experience than a child playing jacks, who will . . .(Would love to see the reference to a bus ride up to the TOP of EVEREST, link please) Edited by dronester, : caffeine confirmation

You should try reading what I write. I said first that tourists and travellers can have experiences that are equally rewarding to them. When you made the ridiculous claim that I was refering to people who are comatose, I clarified by saying that not all experiences are necessarily equally rewarding. Einstein would probably tell you that mathematical equations don't do a good job of comparing human experiences. Nonsense. You might as well say that somebody watching the History Channel will almost always have a more rewarding experience than somebody watching a football game. Have you ever heard of subjectivity?

I took a bunch of DMT and laid semi-conscious on a couch for a while, the mountains I was flying over, and through, were much more large, intricate, and colorful than that dull and puny Everest. The experience was extremely rewarding, and deep.

Thanks for the memories

(Third time, . . .would love to see the reference to a bus ride up to the TOP of EVEREST, link please) So to confirm, you do not agree with Caffiene that tourist and travelers ALL have equal rewarding experiences, okay, check. You are presenting apples and orangutans. I'll try again, this time I'll be more specific, . . .. . . a 'traveler' will almost always have a deeper experience climbing Everest than a 'tourist' who will bus to the BOTTOM of Everest, who will almost always have a deeper experience than a television-watcher who is watching a travel program about Everest, who will almost always have a deeper experience than a child playing with Everest-shaped-jacks, who will almost always have a deeper experience than a comatose person who may or may not have fleeting active brains waves of Everest.