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Author Topic:   What convinced you of Evolution?
jantoo1
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Message 88 of 157 (71324)
12-06-2003 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by DaVx0r
12-01-2003 8:17 PM


Evolution
Hi all, First, let me say that I do NOT believe in evolution.. Scientists are far from perfect... I mean, can we grab a leech, I have a headache??? OH, and let`s not forget bloodletting and oh so many other scientific proofs... and ya know what the earth is NOT flat as they told the good folks way back then... AHHHH, You`re gonna fall off Columbus...PU-LEASE!!!!! I don`t believe what they SAY.. God made us and we are his creation. Monkeys are still monkeys, they didn`t change?? Hmmm...Chickens are still chickens, Sparrows are still sparrows, doves are still doves.. They have found a prehistoric fish 12 years ago, they looked exactly the same.. Now if we evolved as they would have us believe, then why does a fish that scientist TOLD us was extinct, get nabbed in a net, and it is the mirror image of what is was like 65 million years ago...Hmmmmmmm!!! I think not.. There is NO evolution. Ok so maybe we have gotten fatter and taller.... We are still the same species now that we were then.. HELLLO!!!!

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jantoo1
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Message 92 of 157 (71586)
12-08-2003 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Asgara
12-06-2003 1:14 AM


Re: Evolution
Is my spewing, any more GARBAGE, that your spewings ,,,, I wonder???? You couldn`t even come up with a debate.. I have no need to back up what I say... If you`re sooooo darned smart... WHY NOT DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH BEFORE YOU ACT LIKE YOU`RE, ALL THAT AND THEN SOME.. I HAVE MY DEGREE, WHAT ABOUT YOU???? Maybe, you should so a little more DIGGING INTO FACTS... DO YOU`RE OWN research, before YOU DEMAND anything from me. I can back up my words... Can you????? Try using Google, They are sure TO CONNECT YOU WITH THIS INFO. IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE WORLD WIDE...HMMMM.. SUCH A SMALL WORLD YOU ALL LIVE IN..

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jantoo1
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Message 93 of 157 (71587)
12-08-2003 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Rand Al'Thor
12-06-2003 1:34 AM


Re: Evolution
I again say that you all need to do your own research.. Try GOOGLE it is wonderful... I hate to sound mean as well, But I can back up my words. The information on that pre-historic fish is available worldwide. I will not do your research for you. I did mine... It is up to you to huNt for the facts. of which you don`t seem to have. thus why you felt inclined to flop your lips. is beyond me.. Get facts and then come back and debate.. I presented mine. I won`t find your FACTS,, FOR YOU....

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jantoo1
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Message 97 of 157 (71601)
12-08-2003 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by crashfrog
12-06-2003 2:34 AM


Hi,, slow down. {:-).. I have nothing against science.. I am sorry it seemed that way in forum. I do doubt their scientific findings. Which is what they do, doubt findings and then find answers.. They are no more than correct the *religious* folk.. They have brought many many many great things to our world... But, they do have their downfalls.. I can go on and on about huge scientific blunders.. We know them all. Yes, I am aware that it is a process. But there are other scientific folks out there who do have their own scientific proof as well. Ya need to check out GLEN ROSE TEXAS, AND DINASAUR VALLEY and etc.... Visit and check out their evidence... Why stop with one scientic field and just accept their TRUTHS... To debate this you need ALL scientific proofs... And, there ARE so many of them.. I also think that you and oh so many other folks are stuck with the WORD *religion* . Religion is politics.. God doesn`t care what religion you are. He doen`t care if you eat meat on friday or kiss the Popes ring, and etc.. That is all man-made political Christian garbage.. All that God says is to love one another and to believe that Jesus is your saviour... BY THE WAY,, There are over 600 different sources (records) (non-religious) that back up everything ABOUT Jesus and the works that he did... Now the question here is???? So, I believe in God, Thus I go to Heaven. And If There is no God or Heaven,,,, Then ok, I was duped..((NO BIG DEAL HUH??)) BUT, WHAT IF THERE IS???? HMMMM, I THINK I`LL TAKE THE DUPED PATH... I can`t find anything in Hell that interests me.. REAL OR NOT...
you said,,
Tell me what is better, honestly: to be mostly right, and getting righter, or to be totally, eternally, unchangingly wrong?
Honestly, I`d rather be wrong and believe,, AND be duped,, than to find out that there REALLY is a horrendous hell.. By the way, Science has NOT provided proof, that there is no God or Hell or Heaven, either..... So, I don`t think I can follow that path with out proof either...
P.S. Religion does change, by the way. With each generation and between different churches, it changes... I mean, Gay folks go to church now... UN-heard of 50 years ago.. You use to, could not, eat meat, on Friday, if you was Catholic.. Oh, and lets not forget can`t dance, can`t wear make up, can`t wear shorts, blah, blah, blah... I can go on and on... You are confusing religion,, with God... that is all God asks of you.. All the rest of that is Baptist, Catholic, Methodist and etc. creed, rules and regulations, to be part of their group, Has nothing to do with GOD... Churches have gone so far AWAY from what they are suppose to be doing.. I see hardly any churches MINISTERING to the needy... Minister is a verb as well... All they care about is how can they get in your pocket... That is not at all what God says for his churches to do... RELIGION IS NOT GOD>>>>
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jantoo1
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Message 98 of 157 (71602)
12-08-2003 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Coragyps
12-08-2003 1:47 PM


Re: Evolution
I don`t care. It is up to YOU to school Yourself... I don`t have to teach you anything. I`m not your Momma. If you want to know,go find it yourself, like an adult. Then Come back and chat... Until then Hush child...Talk to the hand...

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jantoo1
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Message 99 of 157 (71604)
12-08-2003 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by NosyNed
12-08-2003 1:45 PM


Re: Evolution
prehistoric fish - Google Search
Try this children...
This is so simple and you want to talk to me like you are somebody oh so special.. where do you get off with that attitude??? I don`t care if you talk to me or not, I can back up my words, now how about some of you and all your little buddies giving me some proof..... I hear nothing from you about your PROOF.. Hmmmm, imagine that... AGAIN, I SAY. I AM NOT YOUR MOMMA,TEACHER OR GURU,, GET YOUR OWN PROOF. YOU DEMAND MINE.. WHERE IS YOURS???? Now, instead of flopping your lips,, where is your proof???? I need proof from you now. OR,, I can`t talk to you, or your little friends...What a crappy attitude... You are SOOO amazing... What are you??? Keeper of the forum????

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jantoo1
Inactive Member


Message 100 of 157 (71605)
12-08-2003 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Dan Carroll
12-08-2003 1:40 PM


Re: Evolution
WHAT FACTS DID YOU SHOW? I SAW NO FACTS FROM YOU, OR ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS FORUM. JUST A BUNCH OF HOT AIR.. GIVE ME FACTS. I LIKE FACTS.. I`M WAITING. FORK THEM OVER.. THIS IS FUN.. Waiting to hear from you...

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jantoo1
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Message 108 of 157 (71658)
12-08-2003 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by NosyNed
12-08-2003 4:27 PM


Re: Prehistoric Fish Google
Oh, you are just too cute for your britches....liked the site...Mr. Man... However, if You haven`t gotten the point by now, Why are you even talking to me??? Are you bored??? You are wasting my time and I yours... I did not come to this forum to be berated by some dufus and his little buddies...If you don`t like my opinion that is your right.. However, I don`t think that ANYONE OF YOU, HAVE BOTHERED TO EVEN TRY TO PROVE YOUR POINTS..Did you??? You just took it upon yourself to be the forum police and belittle me.. Which is fine.. It just proves my point.. Scientists are full of it.. All mouth and No action... Hmmmmph... SO where is your proof????????????????????????? I thought so...You have none...Get a life..

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jantoo1
Inactive Member


Message 111 of 157 (71672)
12-08-2003 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Brian
12-08-2003 3:05 PM


Re: Evolution
1= You are the one making the claims Jantoo, you really need to support what you are saying instead of empty statements..
A= No offense here, but not one of you have given me a shred of evidence to back up anything you are saying, But you DEMAND it from me.. Why Is that???? All I have here is a bunch of folks who jumped on my theories and beliefs and person.. That is the complete arguement I am getting from this group.. What a idiot I appear to be.. Hmmmm....
2=You couldn`t even come up with a debate.
B= Asgara is the one who jumped in and had nothing to say when Asgara got there..
3=I have no need to back up what I say.
C= I didn`t come here and ask you all for any credentials or proof. That is directly from you folks.. You are the ones who started that.. I came trying to find facts.. Thanks alot for all the help you all extended. You are such a smart warm group of folks. I demanded nothing from you, until you started hammering on me..
4=WHY NOT DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH BEFORE YOU ACT LIKE YOU`RE, ALL THAT AND THEN SOME
D= I did not ask anyone to do my research. I told them to do their own research. like I am trying to do..
5=I HAVE MY DEGREE,
E= I also have a couple degrees...EWWWWW!!! Wanna be my friend??? OH AND,, guess what??? I am an Ordained Minister..
6= Maybe, you should so (sic) a little more DIGGING INTO FACTS
F= Oh my goodness, a typo, Obviously, I`m an idiot.. That`s science..
Surely you know what a fact is.. Do I need to email you a dictionary???
7= I can back up my words... Can you????? Try using Google, They are sure TO CONNECT YOU WITH THIS INFO. IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE WORLD WIDE...HMMMM.. SUCH A SMALL WORLD YOU ALL LIVE IN..
G= Google is an excellent search engine and the internet if full of information. All I said was, I would not do the research for you all.. You believe whatever you want to.. I AM TRYING TO DO MY OWN RESEARCH...And, not only do I use the internet, but all the other wonderful resourses out there. And you have to dispute a fact (?) in order to deem what is scientifically correct. You must look into ALL aspects of whatever you are researching. I would have thought you would know that.. And if I am wrong, or right, I am still looking and seeking.... I am so sick of you most (highly educated) people thinking that you are the bee`s knee`s.. You are not the only ones who went to college.. HellOOOOOO!!!! So big deal you went to college.. Who didn`t??? WOW, I`m Impressed.....Get over it already..

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jantoo1
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Message 112 of 157 (71675)
12-08-2003 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Loudmouth
12-08-2003 6:36 PM


Re: Prehistoric Fish Google
Will go to sites and see what I find. Thank you for the hints.. I really did come here to find out about evolution and man.. But I got attacked.. Why?????

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jantoo1
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Message 114 of 157 (71678)
12-08-2003 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Rei
12-08-2003 6:19 PM


Re: Prehistoric Fish Google
I didn`t hear from the Ned you know. I got some wise guy being a jerk and he gets a jerk reaction.. Period..

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jantoo1
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Message 115 of 157 (71682)
12-08-2003 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by NosyNed
12-08-2003 6:50 PM


Re: The Point???
We are back to you ignoring me.. That is twice you`ve threatened to ignore me... Why don`t You start, first???? I came here seeking information and all I got was a bunch of insults and garbage.. Again, I thank this group, for all the help you have extended to the first time visitor.. I told you up front, my beliefs.. And not ONE of you people even bothered to extend me a welcome or offer any relevent information at all.. Again, Why???? Where do you get off acting like you are so much better than the rest of the general population??? We are all seeking knowledge, and you have to learn from somewhere. I did NOT get that in this group.. I did not ask for your credentials. I did not ask what kind of scholars you are. All I did was seek some info...I presented myself and you all went for the throat.. WOW!!!!

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jantoo1
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Message 118 of 157 (71689)
12-08-2003 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by NosyNed
12-08-2003 7:01 PM


Re: Deserving
It is so nice of you to take up for your friend . I applaud your loyalty. However Mr. Nice guy sent me a site for 2 year olds. Trying to be helpful, I suppose... I think NOT. He was being a butthead... And he gets Butthead reactions...

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jantoo1
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Message 119 of 157 (71690)
12-08-2003 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by NosyNed
12-08-2003 7:05 PM


Re: Welcoming to visitors
DITTO

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jantoo1
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Message 125 of 157 (71734)
12-08-2003 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Loudmouth
12-08-2003 7:26 PM


Re: Evolution
Ok, I re-read my tirade. I did not mean to come off that way. I apologize most humbly.. {:-( .. I was trying to convey who I was and my beliefs.. I am most sorry for offending anyone. You are right . It really does sound that way... I really am seeking truth.. I will go to the site you gave,, thank you for that..
Can I start over????? Hi, I am here to seek the info, that I hope to find in this site. I am seeking evolution proof. I am a minister and thus, I don`t believe in evolution.. There are many scientific folly`s, as well as Godly ones.. Thank you for pointing me in a solid direction to look.. To all of you in the forum, Please forgive my loud mouth blunders and I will re read what I spew out, first before I submit, the next time... Have a blessed Day, Jan

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