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Author Topic:   What convinced you of Evolution?
crashfrog
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Message 91 of 157 (71337)
12-06-2003 2:34 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by jantoo1
12-06-2003 12:43 AM


Scientists are far from perfect...
You are aware that science is a process, right? I mean, you've pointed out some of the great blunders in history, sure. (The majority of them stemmed from religious theocracy, by the way.)
Now we know those things are wrong. Why? Science! Science changes because it's a process of continually getting right-er. Religion never changes because dogma doesn't have to reflect reality - believers will accept any lies you tell them so long as you make it clear they're going to the hot place if they don't believe you.
Tell me what is better, honestly: to be mostly right, and getting righter, or to be totally, eternally, unchangingly wrong?

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1487 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 120 of 157 (71693)
12-08-2003 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by jantoo1
12-08-2003 2:05 PM


I am sorry it seemed that way in forum.
Well, then why use such a ridiculing tone? You're complaining about the way you're being treated, but they tone of your very first post here was "scientists are STOO-PID!" As far as we're concerned, you started it. If you wanted civil conversation then you should have started out civil. But you started out ridiculing people, so we ridiculed you. And predictably, you run to momma yelling "they hit me back!"
They are no more than correct the *religious* folk..
To the contrary, science has proven itself to be significantly more accurate in determining what is so than religion. They are more correct than the religious folk.
Why stop with one scientic field and just accept their TRUTHS... To debate this you need ALL scientific proofs... And, there ARE so many of them..
That could be true. On the other hand not every scientific "proof" is valid. Some are fallacious, like the "proofs" offered by organizations like ICR and Answers in Genesis, or by shysters like Kent Hovind or Phillip Johnson.
So, no. I'm not going to universally accept all statements that have the veneer of science, without question. I'll question everything. And the only thing that stands up to my questioning in this context is the theory of evolution. Creationism just doesn't hold up.
So, I believe in God, Thus I go to Heaven. And If There is no God or Heaven,,,, Then ok, I was duped..((NO BIG DEAL HUH??)) BUT, WHAT IF THERE IS???? HMMMM, I THINK I`LL TAKE THE DUPED PATH... I can`t find anything in Hell that interests me.. REAL OR NOT...
Ah, yes. Pascal's Wager. But it's a bigger wager than you think. How do you know that Allah isn't the real god? He's going to be pissed as hell if you worship the wrong god, and will send atheists to hell, anyway. The same is true of all the other gods you forgot to mention. How do you know you're not supposed to believe in them? For all you know, you're damned anyway.
I suggest you think this out a little farther. The rationale you've used to believe in God works for all gods, so if you reject other gods, you're being logically inconsistent.
By the way, Science has NOT provided proof, that there is no God or Hell or Heaven, either.....
True. But there's no evidence for all that. Me, I try not to bother worrying about things there's no evidence for.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1487 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 121 of 157 (71696)
12-08-2003 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by jantoo1
12-08-2003 7:00 PM


And not ONE of you people even bothered to extend me a welcome or offer any relevent information at all.. Again, Why????
Because your very first post here, you took a combatative and insulting tone, and ridiculed those who believe differently from you. That tone hasn't changed since you got here.
And now you expect us to believe you're just a poor, ignorant, supplicant of information? Please.
Look, if a guy walks up to me and says "hi, how do you do", I'll welcome him, and maybe buy him a beer. Do him a favor. But a guy who walks up to me with an uncivil tone doesn't inspire me to help him out.
You started it. Don't blame us for hitting you back.

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