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Whaitere Junior Member (Idle past 2625 days) Posts: 9 From: San Diego, CA Joined: |
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Its no biggie. So what do you think? Would lowering the pay that doctors receive be an improvement?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Its no biggie. So what do you think? Would lowering the pay that doctors receive be an improvement? Alone? I doubt it. The major cost of US health care is due to excess profit grabbing by insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and for-profit hospital corporations. Health related industries should be non-profit organizations. When the motive for service is profit people suffer. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Alone? I doubt it. Well that's good.
The major cost of US health care is due to excess profit grabbing by insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and for-profit hospital corporations. Health related industries should be non-profit organizations. When the motive for service is profit people suffer. Part of the problem with for-profit healthcare, is that as a consumer you often don't have a choice in your demand. That is, if you don't buy what they are selling you, then you could die. It hard to find good competition when the clock is ticking and you really really need what they are selling. I think for-profit systems could work just fine, but you need educated consumers with access to competition. I don't think its something that can work on a national level here in the U.S. Not just because of the system, itself, but because the consumers can't handle it. Too often people don't go to the doctor and act like a customer, they see the doctor as some kind of infallible authority. And the People don't seem to want to take matters into their own hands. We, the People, could stand up and push back on the healthcare market and demand better service and costs and funnel our business where that occurs, but its seems that people would rather just leave it up to the government to take care of them. So in that sense, yeah, they all need some help. I don't think it means we need to eliminate a private for-profit sector, though. For the people that can handle it, I think it yields much better results for the individual.
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Whaitere Junior Member (Idle past 2625 days) Posts: 9 From: San Diego, CA Joined: |
Well for me I think a lot of what you speak of stems from the Insurance companies themselves. I understand why having an intermediary between healthcare professionals and their customers is probably overall a good idea, but I am either too stupid or too stubborn to comprehend why things cost they way they do in our current system. So I guess I'd have to say my problem isn't directly with doctor compensation, even though they've benefited tremendously. I've always been of the belief that the inflated healthcare costs were manufactured by the Insurance companies, and the doctors merely benefited from the overflow.
Wanted to add on that I agree with what RAZD said that the healthcare industries should be regulated as Not for Profit. Edited by Whaitere, : add on
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2578 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
Whatitere writes:
Well for me I think a lot of what you speak of stems from the Insurance companies themselves. And the insurance industry is also getting it from the doctors with exorbitant malpractice premiums. Talk about pigs in shit, they are reaping zillions from both sides! Another thing, today's doctors coming out of medical school typically are under the glacier weight of student loans of over half a million and beyond, payable at 3000/month for 40 years or so. The world is very different for doctors than it was a mere 50 years ago.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1404 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Just drop the medicare eligibility age a year every year, and in 60 years we would have single payer medical system. Everyone would have time to adjust.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 611 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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One thing that is not often noted is that the health care insurence companies profit when up 250% in the last decade before ACA.
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frako Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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When the motive for service is profit people suffer. Well duh if your motive is profit healing people fast and cheap is not your goal your goal is to keep them in hospitals and on medication for as long as possible so you can charge them more. Edited by frako, : No reason given. Edited by frako, : No reason given. Edited by frako, : No reason given.Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2950 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
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Taq Member Posts: 9970 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Part of the problem with for-profit healthcare, is that as a consumer you often don't have a choice in your demand. That is, if you don't buy what they are selling you, then you could die. It hard to find good competition when the clock is ticking and you really really need what they are selling. To put it another way, if you have a product that the public, literally, can not live without, why would you ever sacrifice profits in order to make sure it is affordable to everyone? The laws of capitalism would say that you need to increase what you charge in order to maximize profits, not availability. If maximizing profits means out-pricing 10% of the public, then that is what you do, and that is exactly where we ended up in this country.
I don't think its something that can work on a national level here in the U.S. Not just because of the system, itself, but because the consumers can't handle it. Too often people don't go to the doctor and act like a customer, they see the doctor as some kind of infallible authority. And the People don't seem to want to take matters into their own hands. The rampant dogma against socialism on the political right is what is preventing us from getting universal, single payer healthcare.
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frako Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Go india. 69000 price tag for a cancer drug goes down to a few hundred when the court gives the right to produce the drug to an Indian company. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that. |
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The rampant dogma against socialism on the political right is what is preventing us from getting universal, single payer healthcare. Just curious, is a single-payer system literally a single payer, or does it allow for others to act as payers as well? Like, I have some money and I know a doctor, would I be able to give him my money for his service under single payer system? Or would it have to come from the single-payer?
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Whaitere Junior Member (Idle past 2625 days) Posts: 9 From: San Diego, CA Joined:
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No no nothing so sinister, just another NSA agent doing his job here...
Haha naw, I'm actually attempting to help program the control panel with Percy, he's being very patient with me. I still have a lot to learn, but I hope to be able to help out in other aspects of the site in the future. I'll be lurking around the forums and posting from time to time in an effort to help familiarize myself with the wants and needs of the community. Look forward to seeing you around
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Taq Member Posts: 9970 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Just curious, is a single-payer system literally a single payer, or does it allow for others to act as payers as well? It means that there is a public agency that everyone qualifies to join by being a citizen.
Like, I have some money and I know a doctor, would I be able to give him my money for his service under single payer system? Or would it have to come from the single-payer? It is the same as now. If your insurance pays a certain amount, there is nothing stopping you from paying the doctor more, if you want to. Perhaps a better comparison would be Medicare supplemental insurance that you can buy from private carriers. You can still buy private insurance in the UK to supplement any perceived gaps in the NHS coverage, if I remember correctly.
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