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Author Topic:   Why the Flood Never Happened
JonF
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Message 1746 of 1896 (717697)
01-30-2014 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1736 by RAZD
01-30-2014 9:59 AM


Re: Underground canyon and other fantasies
Again, the dimensions of this supposed canyon have never been given here. Do you have them? How deep, long, wide is it?
And what sediment{?} is it carved into? And what sediment(s) filled it?
You'd have to ask Glen Morgan.
ITYM Glenn Morton, and he's thrown up his hands over the whole business and ain't talking.
The picture comes from his We've Done Rivers, Let's Do Canyons. (FYI there's also River Channels Buried deep in the Geologic Column)

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JonF
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Message 1747 of 1896 (717698)
01-30-2014 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1687 by Faith
01-29-2014 2:59 PM


Re: dinosaur again
I've given lots of reasonable specifics in this discussion about many aspects of the argument. The idea that any nonscientist -- OR scientist -- creationist should try to answer every conceivable objection to the Flood is irrational. In the early part of any science you wouldn't expect that of someone studying it, but you seem to expect it of a creationist, and ANY creationist at that. Obviously I do not impute anything about the Flood to miracle. I'm trying to find physical explanations for it. Your objections are, as I said, irrational
Any viable theory has to explain most or all of what the preceding theory explained. And it's very hard to get a theory accepted when it doesn't explain everything the preceding theory explained and more.
To get us to accept your theory you have to replace all of geology, almost all of physics (including quantum mechanics), all of inorganic chemistry, and probably more that doesn't occur to me right now. Yeah, that's a ton of work, but what we have no took hundreds of thousands of people centuries to develop, and it works. No creationist ever, especially including you, has raised a valid objection to current theory. Not for lack of trying, of course, but rather from lack of evidence and rational argument.
The fact That there's an incredibly large body of interrelated and consilient scientific knowledge is a terrible problem for you, but not for us.
Oh, and your "irrational" charge is just another UABF.

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JonF
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Message 1754 of 1896 (717712)
01-30-2014 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1749 by Percy
01-30-2014 1:59 PM


Re: Morton
I agree with you that that Morton webpage (Why I Left Young-Earth Creationism) is sparse on facts, particularly about the details of the buried canyon, and that we should provide them. Anyone? The webpage does give links to a couple articles that seem to have gone stale, but I was able to track one down. This article contains an example of a deeply buried karst, but unfortunately you have to be a member to get more than the abstract:
At We've Done Rivers, Let's Do Canyons Glenn references Alistair R. Brown, Interpretation of Three-Dimensional Seismic Data, AAPG Memoir 42, 1999, p. 115. It's behind a $41 paywall. Glenn gives some other examples; I found the paper for the second image but it's also paywalled.

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JonF
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Message 1768 of 1896 (717746)
01-31-2014 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1761 by roxrkool
01-30-2014 10:00 PM


Re: Cool Meander
No, it's a sinuous ridge. A negative version of an incised meander.
{ABE} There were some cool images of sinuopus ridges posted at the old TWeb but I can't find them now.
Want another cool underground canyon?
I don't suppose you would have access to that paper? {/ABE}
Edited by JonF, : Add stuff

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JonF
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Message 1769 of 1896 (717747)
01-31-2014 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1766 by Heathen
01-31-2014 4:56 AM


Re: The nature of science, theory etc.
and you completely reject the possibility that it's fallen human minds interpreting God's word that deny the rocks?
She's explicitly stated that she is infallible on the subject.

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JonF
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Message 1783 of 1896 (717782)
02-01-2014 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1780 by Faith
02-01-2014 5:52 AM


Re: faults and erosion
from time to time I've SAID they merely confirm what I was claiming
Very telling.
You've said they merely confirm what you were claiming. You don't even think of demonstrating they merely confirm what you were claiming. You don't even think of presenting arguments that they merely confirm what you were claiming.
In spite of many messages pointing out those facts and begging you to support your claims.
All you can do is proclaim.
You really think we should just accept and believe whatever you say. You can't even conceive of the possibility of supporting your claims.
Pathetic.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 1818 of 1896 (717957)
02-03-2014 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1816 by Percy
02-03-2014 10:20 AM


Re: restatement
And New Madrid is in the brown area. But Faith still needs to establish a basis for how much tectonic activity should be expected in the GC based on mainstream thinking.

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