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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
You are correct. I should have used the word murder here. I did use the word murder earlier. I am sorry I chose an incorrect word.
I should have said killing does not equal murder.(I do not like the latex rendering of . Looks out of place) Thank you for pointing out the flaw.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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I don't include suicides in the deaths that I want to, or consider very possible to, prevent with gun control laws. Why not? Suicide has been shown to be an act of opportunity in a lot of cases. Studies show it is an impulsive act.
quote:Source The science does not seem to support your gut feelings.
I don't include suicides in the deaths that I want to... prevent with gun control laws. Basically fuck 'em? How nice and caring of you.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
and those efforts would be better spent on other avenues. What avenues would those be?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
quote:Source The author is no liberal. Alex Tabarrok teaches at George Mason University, a famously libertarian-inclined economics department. He’s a fellow at the libertarian Mercatus Institute and one of the lead authors of Marginal Revolution, one of the web’s most famous libertarian-inclined blogs.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. |
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ramoss Member (Idle past 638 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
In legalize, the term homicide is means the deliberate taking of anothers life.. .i.e. murder.
There are accidents.. and they would go under the category of 'involuntary manslaughter'
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
I wish advocates of the 2nd Amendment would be as enthusiastic about the 4th Amendment against search and seizure (NSA domestic spying); 5th Amendment guaranteeing due process; 8th Amendment barring cruel and unusual punishment (Manning Episode), 6th Amendment, assuring trial by jury (drone assassination program).
But, like the cartoon implies, the rights and liberties gun owners use to support gun ownership and play with guns seem be just an empty facade.
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Catholic Scientist writes: If Illinois has NO HELMET LAW but Missouri does, the guy just goes to Illinois, rides around without his helmet on and returns to Missouri. ??? If this was supposed to be analogous to differing gun laws, it fails badly. A guy who can't buy a gun in his own state because of the background check can buy it in another state, then bring that gun back into his own state. In your analogy the trip to Illinois confers on him no right to ride without a helmet in his own state, but he can still tote that gun he bought in some nearby state. A better analogy might be alcohol. Back before the national 21-year old drinking age the states used to all set their own drinking ages. In the 1960's 18-year olds in New Jersey (where the drinking age was 21) could drive into New York, buy alcohol, then bring it back. Of course, while the analogy works, it doesn't support your position. --Percy
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1050 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
In legalize, the term homicide is means the deliberate taking of anothers life.. .i.e. murder. While it appears I was incorrect that suicide is legally classed as homicide, homicide is not equivalent to murder in legalese. Involuntary manslaughter is a type of homicide. Killing someone by accident isn't equivalent to manslaughter, either. For it to be manslaughter it has to be done as part of a criminal act, or be criminally negligent. Self-defence, or blameless accidents, are classed as justifiable homicides.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2977 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Too many issues that would need to be worked out to make it effective Let's say you know that for a fact. Which you don't. But let's say you do. If law makers were able to work out all those issues so that it was effective, would you be in favor of it?
and those efforts would be better spent on other avenues. I don't know what you mean by that. If you mean, like you posted earlier, that they provide better care for the mentally ill then I agree. But that doesn't help because we are already talking about people who have had mental health care. Also, just providing more care doesn't mean they will get the care. You can't force them to in many cases. So there's that to contend with also. - Oni
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2132 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Criminologist: 'More Youngsters Killed in Bicycle Accidents' Than with Guns
Criminologist: 'More Youngsters Killed in Bicycle Accidents' Than with Guns
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I can't find a source for his figures. Looking it up myself, the figures I found show that there are ~700 bicycle deaths annually, as opposed to ~30,000 gun deaths.
I agree with the author of the article that helmet laws are a good idea. I wonder if he would agree with me that maybe we should try to keep crazy people away from guns.
This article demonstrates the virtues of traffic safety laws. Imagine if we exercised the same caution when it comes to gun-wielding lunatics. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
What a surprise.
All quotes from the article.
the annual risk of gun-related death in school is "well below one in two million,"
(Bolding mine) So not the number of youngsters killed by guns, just the subset who happen to get killed by guns at school, against the total number killed in cycling accidents. And the number killed in school is:
"lower than two decades ago when gang violence was especially problematic at school settings."
One wonders just how much of that decline is due to anti-gun measures installed in schools.Oddly, the article doesn't address that question.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
It truly amazes me how right wingers lose all ability for critical thinking when it comes to anything that threatens their dogma. There are quite a few intelligent people like Coyote that throw out the ability to look at data and evidence subjectively when neither conforms to their political beliefs.
There is not much difference between creationists and right wingers. For the creos religion trumps facts and evidence, for rightwingers political dogma trumps facts and evidence. The fact that an intelligent or reasonable intelligent person would uncritically post a link to an article on Breitbart is amazing in itself. This is the stable of pathological liars like James O'Keefe. Breitbart, himself, was known for his lies and racebaiting. He is someone that should not be discussed in polite company. If there was a hell he would be rotting there. Now to the article. Lets look at the original USA Today opinion piece by James Alan Fox, the criminologist. Moms, mayors offer misguided message on guns: Column Breitbart is posting a very inflammatory headline. The whole premise of the piece is not summed up in the headline. Breitbart is banking on the fact that most of their fans can't or won't read past the headline. The opinion piece nor the breitbart article says much about gun control.
quote:Sure sounds like what the NRA is advocating. I guess I do not see how Coyote thinks either the article or opinion piece is supportive to rightwingers. Now I have to sanitize my computer because I actually clicked on the link to BreitbartFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Catholic Scientist writes:
??? If Illinois has NO HELMET LAW but Missouri does, the guy just goes to Illinois, rides around without his helmet on and returns to Missouri. If this was supposed to be analogous to differing gun laws, it fails badly. A guy who can't buy a gun in his own state because of the background check can buy it in another state, then bring that gun back into his own state. In your analogy the trip to Illinois confers on him no right to ride without a helmet in his own state, but he can still tote that gun he bought in some nearby state. A better analogy might be alcohol. Okay, you're right. How about weed. A guy can drive over to Colorado, buy some weed, and then bring it back to his state where its still illegal.
Of course, while the analogy works, it doesn't support your position. My position is that we do not need to sound the alarms and get the Feds involved, but instead should leave this up to the States. Do you think we should have the Feds crack down on Colorado to protect all those people in the neighboring states from having weed illegally brought in?
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