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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
All quotes from the article.
the annual risk of gun-related death in school is "well below one in two million,"
(Bolding mine) So not the number of youngsters killed by guns, just the subset who happen to get killed by guns at school, against the total number killed in cycling accidents. But it was a response to the Moms and Mayors who were saying this:
quote: So the author was just staying on topic.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... How about weed. A guy can drive over to Colorado, buy some weed, and then bring it back to his state where its still illegal.
Of course, while the analogy works, it doesn't support your position. My position is that we do not need to sound the alarms and get the Feds involved, but instead should leave this up to the States. Do you think we should have the Feds crack down on Colorado to protect all those people in the neighboring states from having weed illegally brought in? But your example is better used to support some federal involvement to ensure that either laws are similar in all the states or that crossing state borders increases the legal penalties (which they do have the right to do). Personally I see no reason why the feds should not (a) require registered ownership of guns or have some means to track guns used in crimes back to the owner(b) require background checks for all gun ownership transferals (c) require ammunition and raw gun powder to have "marker micro-confetti" that can be tracked back to who purchased it and where. There would be no impact on self-defense usage, or recreational usage. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Personally I see no reason why the feds should not In light of the heinous actions of the NSA, I'm not going to trust the Feds with something that purposefully provides them with more information about my guns.
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Percy Member Posts: 22500 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Catholic Scientist writes: My position is that we do not need to sound the alarms and get the Feds involved, but instead should leave this up to the States. Do you think we should have the Feds crack down on Colorado to protect all those people in the neighboring states from having weed illegally brought in? Politically I'm not particular about the source of the solution, but the border problems associated with state-level solutions make me lean toward a federal solution. --Percy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: That doesn't make the headline any less misleading. 'Criminologist says: "Schools are Safe"' would be far more accurate. And, really, it does look as if Coyote was mislead. Why else link to the article at all?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Why else link to the article at all? It looks like a retort to the previous message that was just a badly described bare link.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Boy assumptions and assertions abound in one small sentence.
How do you know Coyote was responding to Dr. A? If he was it was it had absolutely nothing to do with what Dr. A posted. And as I said earlier I am not sure how the article can be easily interpreted as being pro-gun. Badly described bare link? More evidence, looks like an adequate description. If you have an issue with a bare link state that. Calling it badly described is just not accurate.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
How do you know Coyote was responding to Dr. A? It looks like it because the bare link was called "some data" and then the next message right after it has the subtitle "some more data".
Badly described bare link? The link was badly described because it didn't actually contain data. Its a news article announcing a report that is coming soon. I was expecting some numbers.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Coyote writes:
The difference being that bicycles serve a useful purpose.
Criminologist: 'More Youngsters Killed in Bicycle Accidents' Than with Guns
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Evidently you are using the word data differently than how most people do, because the article did provide data.
You can look up the definition on dictionary.com.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Quote the data here then.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Doing poor imitations of your opponent's posts is hardly a winning strategy. And citing a misleading headline, if you know that it is misleading, is a little less than entirely honest.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
In light of the heinous actions of the NSA, I'm not going to trust the Feds with something that purposefully provides them with more information about my guns. ... so you would be okay with ammo\powder having micro-confetti to track sources and buyers, but don't want to register your guns because of some kind of NRA paranoia, and you think they don't have all the information they need already? So you're part of the problem? by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Coyote writes:
The difference being that bicycles serve a useful purpose. Criminologist: 'More Youngsters Killed in Bicycle Accidents' Than with Guns Is that you admitting that their ultimate goal is not saving kids lives in schools?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
... so you would be okay with ammo\powder having micro-confetti to track sources and buyers, I'm okay with it existing, but I wouldn't buy it or shoot it.
but don't want to register your guns because of some kind of NRA paranoia, and you think they don't have all the information they need already? Regardless of what they already have, I am not going to help them by giving them more.
So you're part of the problem? Come at me bro.
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