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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Is that you admitting that their ultimate goal is not saving kids lives in schools? Prediction: within 2 years a gun in a school ostensibly to prevent or reduce school shootings ... will be used in a school shooting or accidental death. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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I'm not sure why you would smile at that...
In those two years, apparently, more kids will die in bicycle accidents at school. If your ultimate goal was saving kids lives at schools, then your efforts would be better focused on bicycle safety. If you say that you're ultimate goal is saving kids lives at schools, and then you focus on things that will save less lives, then you're either stupid or lying.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... so you would be okay with ammo\powder having micro-confetti to track sources and buyers, I'm okay with it existing, but I wouldn't buy it or shoot it. Why? This is a simple way to track bullets used in crimes regardless of gun ownership or type of gun. What harm does it pose to you for recreational use or for self defense use?
TASER shoots ID confetti leading to arrests in violin robbery quote: Simple, no-brainer, everyone benefits. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Why? In light of the heinous actions of the NSA, I'm not going to trust the Feds with something that purposefully provides them with more information about my guns, or bullets. They are simply untrustworthy.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
The whole article is data. Not sure what you think data is.
Do you mean the actual pieces of data from the study? No I can not give you that, but the article is data and provides data.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Come at me bro.
WTF? What's with the juvenile posturing?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Now you're just being disingenuous. You, the unsupported assertion police, are now accepting unsupported assertions as "data".
I guess its all good as long as you like what you hear. And you have the gall to berate us for acting like creationists. lulz Welcome back to being ignored, troll.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
In those two years, apparently, more kids will die in bicycle accidents at school.
Strawman? or did you not read or not comprehend any of it?The article did not talk about bicycle accidents at school did it? If you say that you're ultimate goal is saving kids lives, and then you focus on things that will save less lives, then you're either stupid or lying. But then again you never said you had a goal of saving kids lives did you?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
The study links the abandonment of the background check to an additional 60 or so murders occurring per year in Missouri between 2008 and 2012. "Coincident exactly with the policy change, there was an immediate upward trajectory to the homicide rates in Missouri," said Prof Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. "That upward trajectory did not happen with homicides that did not involve guns; it did not occur to any neighbouring state; the national trend was doing the opposite — it was trending downward; and it was not specific to one or two localities — it was, for the most part, state-wide," he told BBC News. That is data. Maybe data you do not like but it is data.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
The terms evidence, data and raw data can be ambiguous. Theodoric is citing the results of a study and calling them evidence, while it seems that Catholic Scientist wants to see raw data but is also calling that evidence.
--Percy
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Theo is citing a news report on a study that hasn't been released yet.
I don't care who you are, that don't pass as "data". But yes, of course we would want to look at the raw data. Since when did we start accepting unsupported assertions?
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
RAZD writes: Prediction: within 2 years a gun in a school ostensibly to prevent or reduce school shootings ... will be used in a school shooting or accidental death. Sooner."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I'm not sure why you would smile at that... More of a grimace, but certainly the irony would have a certain level of black humor. The law of unintended consequences will always produce some results counter to the intentions.
In those two years, apparently, more kids will die in bicycle accidents at school. If your ultimate goal was saving kids lives at schools, then your efforts would be better focused on bicycle safety. Curiously I can be focused on bicycle safety at the same time -- not just for kids but for all cyclists, which is increasing as more people move away from fossil fuels. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9143 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Since when did we start accepting unsupported assertions? It isn't unsupported. The author of the study is presenting the results of his study.Are you claiming that Prof Daniel Webster, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research is misrepresenting the raw data? Why would he put his reputation at risk and lie? I cannot believe you are going this far out on a limb to call this unsupported assertions when this is going to published in the next issue of the Journal of Urban Health. I will go along with your sudden need that everything has to be published in order to be data. Lets hold off until this is published and then you can tell me how it is unsupported and is meaningless. You can do a web search on this study and there is a lot of data on it already. This again goes to my argument that rightwingers are no different than creos. You can do a web search on this study and there is a lot of data on it already. Of course you will not, and you will continue to deny the results and scream. No data, no data.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Curiously I can be focused on bicycle safety at the same time But we're talking about those Moms and Mayors...
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