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dwise1
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Message 106 of 397 (720852)
02-27-2014 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by xongsmith
02-27-2014 10:14 PM


Re: Let's limit this discussion to the specifics
WTF are "Yelp" reviews???
There's a app for that. I think that Yelp is derived from "Yellow Pages". You can do a search of a particular kind of business or a particular business by name. It will give a list that includes the businesses' locations, hours of operation, links to their website and to a map to the location, and reviews by customers (though there's been a scandal about businesses paying someone to write glowing reviews. It also has "Monocle", in which you point your phone in any direction and it will display what businesses are in that direction.
I heard about it when my son had a bad experience with a specialty meat shop who had told him over the phone that they had what he wanted (uncured ham that he was going to brine) but when he went there they told him they didn't have it. He found what he needed at a Northgate (fortunately, he's fluent in Spanish and so could work that out with the butcher) and then he posted a review for that first shop on Yelp. In less than half an hour, the store manager called him. They did have the meat he wanted, but the clerk wasn't aware of it. Furthermore, the manager worked to make amends, which my son described in a follow-up review. Shows that stores take Yelp reviews seriously.
I've had problems with Yelp's search feature, so it's not perfect.

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Message 107 of 397 (720853)
02-27-2014 10:46 PM
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02-27-2014 10:28 PM


Re: Such a groundswell of opinion against freedom of religion
Here is Jon Stewart's take:
Arizona, I Don't Know What You Thought Would Happen When You Tried To Legalize Hate. Bon Appetit. - Upworthy
Basically - "it's morally repugnant!" to accept this bill.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 108 of 397 (720854)
02-27-2014 10:48 PM
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02-27-2014 10:41 PM


Re: Let's limit this discussion to the specifics
I don't do "apps". Maybe I will, but not now.
Thanks for the 411.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 109 of 397 (720855)
02-27-2014 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
02-27-2014 5:21 PM


Re: Let's limit this discussion to the specifics
Those of us who believe the Bible is the inspired inerrant word of God will choose to die rather than be forced to do something that violates it.
Curiously, nobody is asking you to be a homosexual, nor are they inviting you into their bedroom, nor is anybody considering laws to force this on you.
So nobody is trying to force you to do something in violation of your bible (unless it is significantly different from the version I have).
What people can do, however is ask that you abide by it, and love your neighbor, judge not lest you be judged, love the sinner, etc.
What people can do, is ask you to embrace the constitution in general, the amendments that change it to increasingly recognize the basic human rights of all people: blacks as equals with voting rights, then women voting rights, the rights of disabled; that there is still work to do on economic rights (equal pay for work of equal value) ... and recognize that we, as a nation, will continue to improve the recognition of the basic human rights of all people.

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Message 110 of 397 (720856)
02-27-2014 10:59 PM


Found this:
Rev. Emily C. Heath
Clergy, United Church of Christ
It seems like this election season "religious liberty" is a hot topic. Rumors of its demise are all around, as are politicians who want to make sure that you know they will never do anything to intrude upon it.
I'm a religious person with a lifelong passion for civil rights, so this is of great interest to me. So much so, that I believe we all need to determine whether our religious liberties are indeed at risk. So, as a public service, I've come up with this little quiz. I call it "How to Determine if Your Religious Liberty Is Being Threatened in Just 10 Quick Questions." Just pick "A" or "B" for each question.
1. My religious liberty is at risk because:
A) I am not allowed to go to a religious service of my own choosing.
B) Others are allowed to go to religious services of their own choosing.
2. My religious liberty is at risk because:
A) I am not allowed to marry the person I love legally, even though my religious community blesses my marriage.
B) Some states refuse to enforce my own particular religious beliefs on marriage on those two guys in line down at the courthouse.
3. My religious liberty is at risk because:
A) I am being forced to use birth control.
B) I am unable to force others to not use birth control.
4. My religious liberty is at risk because:
A) I am not allowed to pray privately.
B) I am not allowed to force others to pray the prayers of my faith publicly.
5. My religious liberty is at risk because:
A) Being a member of my faith means that I can be bullied without legal recourse.
B) I am no longer allowed to use my faith to bully gay kids with impunity.
6. My religious liberty is at risk because:
A) I am not allowed to purchase, read or possess religious books or material.
B) Others are allowed to have access books, movies and websites that I do not like.
7. My religious liberty is at risk because:
A) My religious group is not allowed equal protection under the establishment clause.
B) My religious group is not allowed to use public funds, buildings and resources as we would like, for whatever purposes we might like.
8. My religious liberty is at risk because:
A) Another religious group has been declared the official faith of my country.
B) My own religious group is not given status as the official faith of my country.
9. My religious liberty is at risk because:
A) My religious community is not allowed to build a house of worship in my community.
B) A religious community I do not like wants to build a house of worship in my community.
10. My religious liberty is at risk because:
A) I am not allowed to teach my children the creation stories of our faith at home.
B) Public school science classes are teaching science.
Scoring key:
If you answered "A" to any question, then perhaps your religious liberty is indeed at stake. You and your faith group have every right to now advocate for equal protection under the law. But just remember this one little, constitutional, concept: this means you can fight for your equality -- not your superiority.
If you answered "B" to any question, then not only is your religious liberty not at stake, but there is a strong chance that you are oppressing the religious liberties of others. This is the point where I would invite you to refer back to the tenets of your faith, especially the ones about your neighbors.
In closing, no matter what soundbites you hear this election year, remember this: Religious liberty is never secured by a campaign of religious superiority. The only way to ensure your own religious liberty remains strong is by advocating for the religious liberty of all, including those with whom you may passionately disagree. Because they deserve the same rights as you. Nothing more. Nothing less.
See How to Determine If Your Religious Liberty Is Being Threatened in Just 10 Quick Questions | HuffPost Religion

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Dr Adequate
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Message 111 of 397 (720857)
02-27-2014 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
02-27-2014 5:21 PM


Re: Let's limit this discussion to the specifics
Those of us who believe the Bible is the inspired inerrant word of God will choose to die rather than be forced to do something that violates it.
No-one's actually planning to kill you. But if you pretend that they are, then you can have that warm fuzzy feeling that goes with being a brave little martyr, without actually undergoing the slightest personal risk. That's the great thing about pretending.

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Message 112 of 397 (720864)
02-28-2014 1:41 AM
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02-27-2014 10:59 PM


Interesting of course that religious liberty to this writer is only about PRIVATE practices, but if religious liberty is also about PUBLIC practices, which it always was in America until rather recently, then religious liberty may very well be at risk. If religious liberty includes the right to refuse service to anyone where your Bible-based conscience is violated then your religious liberty is very probably at risk. But as long as you focus on inessentials you can prove anything.

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Message 113 of 397 (720865)
02-28-2014 1:42 AM
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02-27-2014 11:38 PM


Re: Let's limit this discussion to the specifics
How do you know nobody's actually planning to kill me?

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Message 114 of 397 (720880)
02-28-2014 6:24 AM
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02-28-2014 1:42 AM


Re: Let's limit this discussion to the specifics
How do you know nobody's actually planning to kill me?
Good point just because your paranoid that does not mean they are not out to get you.
I think you should star building a bunker in your basement, and start stockpiling guns and ammo.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Message 115 of 397 (720883)
02-28-2014 7:07 AM
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02-27-2014 5:25 PM


Re: Let's limit this discussion to the specifics
Faith writes:
So we go out of business then and have to live on the streets. Same difference.
I'm guessing that, given that choice, our cake maker would suddenly realise that maybe selling a cake to someone doesn't actually involve him/her in any anti-biblical activity.
Or maybe when the rare-as-rockinghorse-droppings occasion arose that a gob-smackingly and obviously gay couple entered a shop knowing that the proprietor was a homophobe wanting a nice cake, he/she just gets someone else to serve?
Or maybe they just forget it, like, you know, all Christians do about having to give everything they have to the poor.
Or you just do something a little uncomfortable for you because it's the law? Just like the rest of us.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 116 of 397 (720884)
02-28-2014 7:10 AM
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02-28-2014 6:24 AM


Re: Let's limit this discussion to the specifics
Naa, they can kill me if they want.

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Message 117 of 397 (720885)
02-28-2014 7:17 AM
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02-28-2014 1:41 AM


Interesting of course that religious liberty to this writer is only about PRIVATE practices, but if religious liberty is also about PUBLIC practices, which it always was in America until rather recently, then religious liberty may very well be at risk. If religious liberty includes the right to refuse service to anyone where your Bible-based conscience is violated then your religious liberty is very probably at risk. But as long as you focus on inessentials you can prove anything.
Well in that case you think it would be perfectly all right to not give medical attention to a dying black person because my religion says that blacks are children of Cain cursed by god with a recognisable mark. black skin. Or if i where black the same argument for a white or Chinese person. Or if i have to give him medical attention how fare do my obligations go do i have to sell him stuff if he pays for it as any person where is the line ?

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Message 118 of 397 (720886)
02-28-2014 7:26 AM
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What?

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Message 119 of 397 (720888)
02-28-2014 8:04 AM
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02-27-2014 3:31 AM


Re: Such a groundswell of opinion against freedom of religion
If tyranny is making people treat other people equally sign me up for some tyranny please.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Message 120 of 397 (720891)
02-28-2014 8:48 AM
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02-27-2014 3:31 AM


Re: Such a groundswell of opinion against freedom of religion
Really? isn't this tyranny?
You are diving into the shallow end of the pool here. Let's put these events into perspective.
Tyranny would be the government telling you to bake a cake you don't want to bake. But tyranny would also be an official word from the government that your neighbor cannot buy cakes in this town.
The failure of the AZ 'religious freedom' bill is not a government order to bake cakes. It simply means that there is no state endorsed right to discriminate. If you get sued in AZ, you can still make the attempt to argue your first amendment rights, but there is no AZ endorsed, slam dunk guarantee that you will win. In this case the law is so badly worded that it indemnifies way too much hatred. I could decide, for example, to evict a childless couple because they were not being fruitful and multiplying, but were in fact using birth control, and the statue would back me up.
But what do you really think will happen when a gay man wants a wedding cake with two grooms on it? If the man cannot get the best baker in town to do it, will he sue or will he just have his sister go in, order the cake, and then change out the figurines?
Seriously. Get some perspective. And then get a grip. The failure of the state to pass this law does not remove the first amendment from the Constitution. What it likely does is save the state a bunch of money from defending a likely un-Constitutional law.
And it's not like your hatred makes you Joan d'Arc. Nobody wants to kill you. Sheesh..
Edited by NoNukes, : Grrr.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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