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Dr Adequate
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Message 146 of 342 (718170)
02-05-2014 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by Eliyahu
02-05-2014 7:21 AM


Re: Nothing can ever disprove evolution
That is not a dog.
The creationist drivel you quote is unusually deceitful and halfwitted even for creationist drivel. Really, they come up with lies this dumb and then they wonder why they're not allowed to teach them in science class?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 147 of 342 (718172)
02-05-2014 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Eliyahu
02-05-2014 7:44 AM


Re: Nothing can ever disprove evolution
For the record, let it be noted that you cannot give any support for your notion that the context of the quotes alters the meaning of the quotes.
That is of course, because they don't.
But this has been shown, and everyone reading this thread knows it.

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Message 159 of 342 (718213)
02-05-2014 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Eliyahu
02-05-2014 1:27 PM


The statements of scientists conclusively disprove Eliyahu's lies
But Eldredge and Gould stopped the lies:
"In fact, the operation of Darwinian processes should yield exactly what we see in the fossil record." --- Gould, Evolution's Erratic Pace, Natural History 86(5):12-16.
"Our theory holds, as a defining statement, that ordinary allopatric speciation, unfolding gradually at microevolutionary scales, translates to punctuation in geological time." --- Stephen Jay Gould, The Structure of Evolutionary Theory
"Faced with these facts of evolution and the philosophical bankruptcy of their own position, creationists rely upon distortion and innuendo to buttress their rhetorical claim. If I sound sharp or bitter, indeed I am - for I have become a major target of these practices." --- Stephen Jay Gould, Evolution as Fact and Theory
"Stasis had continued to be ignored until Gould and I showed that such stability is a real aspect of life's history which must be confronted - and that, in fact, it posed no fundamental threat to the basic notion of evolution itself." --- Niles Eldredge, Time Frames
"My version of how the evolutionary process works lines up very well with Darwin’s. [...] this new picture is not un-Darwinian, let alone anti-Darwinian. [...] I confess that I am a true Darwinist." --- Nile Eldredge, Confessions of a Darwinist.
"Q: Does the fossil record provide evidence for the existence of transitional forms?
A: Yes, it does.
Q: Are there many such examples?
A: Yes, there are." --- Stephen Jay Gould, sworn testimony in McClean v. Arkansas.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact." --- Stephen Jay Gould, Evolution as Fact and Theory
"I think they [creationists] proceed by misquotation, by selective quotation, and by invoking supernatural intervention to produce the basic kinds of life, all of which are not only unscientific, but represent skill and rhetoric rather than science." --- Stephen Jay Gould, sworn testimony in McClean v. Arkansas.
If evolution really happened, it should have left traces in the fossil record. There are now hudreds of millions fossiles in musea all over the world, and guess what: No evolution.
"Evolution is both a scientific fact and a scientific theory. Evolution is a fact in the sense that life has changed through time. In nature today, the characteristics of species are changing, and new species are arising. The fossil record is the primary factual evidence for evolution in times past, and evolution is well documented by further evidence from other scientific disciplines, including comparative anatomy, biogeography, genetics, molecular biology, and studies of viral and bacterial diseases." --- The Paleontological Society
"The fossil record of vertebrates unequivocally supports the hypothesis that vertebrates have evolved through time, from their first records in the early Paleozoic Era about 500 million years ago to the great diversity we see in the world today. The hypothesis has been strengthened by so many independent observations of fossil sequences that it has come to be regarded as a confirmed fact, as certain as the drift of continents through time or the lawful operation of gravity." --- Society of Vertebrate Paleontology
"The crowning achievement of paleontology has been the demonstration, from the history of life, of the validity of the evolutionary theory [...] The fossil record contains many well-documented examples of the transition from one species into another, as well as the origin of new physical features." --- American Geological Institute.
And that is delightfull for me. As Dawkins confirms:
"If only they'd look at the facts, they'd soon discover that we have a rich supply of intermediate fossils." --- Richard Dawkins, The Greatest Show On Earth.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 164 of 342 (718305)
02-06-2014 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by Eliyahu
02-06-2014 12:01 AM


Re: The fossile record conclusively disproves evolution
So the PE theory is an attempt to give an explanation for the total lack of evolution in the fossil record.
We all know you're lying, remember?
HELLO?
Earth to Eliyahu.
We all KNOW you're lying.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 174 of 342 (718341)
02-06-2014 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Eliyahu
02-06-2014 7:31 AM


Re: Nothing can ever disprove evolution
For the truth I have the professional opinion of many big shot paleontologists. They all agree that the fossil record shows the opposite of evolution.
Hello? We all know you're lying.
A lie about the assumption that the fossil record supported Darwinian evolution.
Hello? We all know you're lying.
His book The Origin of Species. In there he warns the reader 8 times not to look at the fossil record, because it does not support his theory.
Hello? We all know you're lying.
We are no 170 posts into this debate, and NOBODY could show one quote where the meaning was different.
Hello? We all know you're lying.
Of course it is. The fact that the fossil record shows the opposite of evolution is a BIG problem for evolution.
Hello? We all know you're lying.
I don't interprete them, I just show what they themselves say. Namely that there is NO evolution to be found in the fossil record.
Hello? We all know you're lying.
I have demonstrated that the fossil record shows the opposite of evolution, namely sudden appearance of species and stasis, non-change, non-evolution.
Hello? We all know you're lying.
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So what's the point? If you want to prove that some creationists are disgusting degraded liars, that point has been so well made by luminaries such as Kent Hovind and Duane Gish as to render your efforts superfluous.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 203 of 342 (718827)
02-09-2014 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by Eliyahu
02-09-2014 12:09 AM


Eldredge
According to Eldredge, the fossil record is OK, it is the predictions of Darwin who are wrong.
"My version of how the evolutionary process works lines up very well with Darwin’s. [...] this new picture is not un-Darwinian, let alone anti-Darwinian. [...] I confess that I am a true Darwinist." --- Nile Eldredge, Confessions of a Darwinist.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 205 of 342 (718831)
02-09-2014 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by Eliyahu
02-09-2014 1:54 AM


If there was evolution visibele in the fossil record, we would not need PE. Therefore PE is the proof that there is no evolution te be seen in the fossil record.
"So it's not true to say that punctuated equilibrium is just an argument born of despair, because you don't see transitional forms." --- Stephen Jay Gould, testifying under oath in McLean v. Arkansas.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 207 of 342 (718837)
02-09-2014 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by Eliyahu
02-09-2014 2:13 AM


The fossil record
No evolution in the fossil record.
"Evolution is both a scientific fact and a scientific theory. Evolution is a fact in the sense that life has changed through time. In nature today, the characteristics of species are changing, and new species are arising. The fossil record is the primary factual evidence for evolution in times past, and evolution is well documented by further evidence from other scientific disciplines, including comparative anatomy, biogeography, genetics, molecular biology, and studies of viral and bacterial diseases." --- The Paleontological Society
"The fossil record of vertebrates unequivocally supports the hypothesis that vertebrates have evolved through time, from their first records in the early Paleozoic Era about 500 million years ago to the great diversity we see in the world today. The hypothesis has been strengthened by so many independent observations of fossil sequences that it has come to be regarded as a confirmed fact, as certain as the drift of continents through time or the lawful operation of gravity." --- Society of Vertebrate Paleontology
"The crowning achievement of paleontology has been the demonstration, from the history of life, of the validity of the evolutionary theory [...] The fossil record contains many well-documented examples of the transition from one species into another, as well as the origin of new physical features." --- American Geological Institute.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 217 of 342 (718861)
02-09-2014 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Eliyahu
02-09-2014 6:53 AM


Re: The fossile record conclusively disproves evolution
How can anybody with two working braincells hold the opinion that the fossil record shows evoluton???
"Evolution is both a scientific fact and a scientific theory. Evolution is a fact in the sense that life has changed through time. In nature today, the characteristics of species are changing, and new species are arising. The fossil record is the primary factual evidence for evolution in times past, and evolution is well documented by further evidence from other scientific disciplines, including comparative anatomy, biogeography, genetics, molecular biology, and studies of viral and bacterial diseases." --- The Paleontological Society
"The fossil record of vertebrates unequivocally supports the hypothesis that vertebrates have evolved through time, from their first records in the early Paleozoic Era about 500 million years ago to the great diversity we see in the world today. The hypothesis has been strengthened by so many independent observations of fossil sequences that it has come to be regarded as a confirmed fact, as certain as the drift of continents through time or the lawful operation of gravity." --- Society of Vertebrate Paleontology
"The crowning achievement of paleontology has been the demonstration, from the history of life, of the validity of the evolutionary theory [...] The fossil record contains many well-documented examples of the transition from one species into another, as well as the origin of new physical features." --- American Geological Institute.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 234 of 342 (718994)
02-10-2014 2:14 AM
Reply to: Message 233 by Eliyahu
02-10-2014 2:03 AM


Something new!
Environment cannot make new species. Actually, nobody knows what can.
Speak for yourself.
It always takes millions of years to come up with a fundamentally different new species.
Please show your working.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 333 of 342 (721179)
03-04-2014 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 322 by Eliyahu
02-23-2014 2:05 AM


Re: Fossils disprove evolution
Oh, and only in the fantasy of the evo's there is something rebutted.
The fossil record shows only STASIS, non-change, and sudden appearance of new species, without a link to supposed predecessors.
So really no evolution, but the opposite.
Nothing is rebutted about that.
The facts remain the facts.
"Evolution is both a scientific fact and a scientific theory. Evolution is a fact in the sense that life has changed through time. In nature today, the characteristics of species are changing, and new species are arising. The fossil record is the primary factual evidence for evolution in times past, and evolution is well documented by further evidence from other scientific disciplines, including comparative anatomy, biogeography, genetics, molecular biology, and studies of viral and bacterial diseases." --- The Paleontological Society
"The fossil record of vertebrates unequivocally supports the hypothesis that vertebrates have evolved through time, from their first records in the early Paleozoic Era about 500 million years ago to the great diversity we see in the world today. The hypothesis has been strengthened by so many independent observations of fossil sequences that it has come to be regarded as a confirmed fact, as certain as the drift of continents through time or the lawful operation of gravity." --- Society of Vertebrate Paleontology
"The crowning achievement of paleontology has been the demonstration, from the history of life, of the validity of the evolutionary theory [...] The fossil record contains many well-documented examples of the transition from one species into another, as well as the origin of new physical features." --- American Geological Institute.
Hmm, who to believe about the fossil record, you or them? Given that they've looked at it and you haven't, I'm gonna go with them.

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