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Tanypteryx
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Message 77 of 140 (720789)
02-27-2014 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
02-27-2014 4:43 PM


Faith writes:
I already showed how the odds against that render it basically impossible.
No you didn't. You have not shown anything.
You just keep making "Pronouncements According To Faith" that are completely unsupported by evidence. You are the only one here using faith to try and bolster your argument.
You continue to deny beneficial mutations even though you have been given example after example. You just keep repeating it but never support it with evidence or research.
And then you have the arrogance to ridicule the people who who are knowledgeable in the subject and are trying to teach you something.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 79 of 140 (720809)
02-27-2014 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Faith
02-27-2014 5:23 PM


No Faith, you just keep saying the same stuff, without a single study or piece of evidence. Your fantasies are not evidence. Good grief, where's the beef?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 81 of 140 (720823)
02-27-2014 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Faith
02-27-2014 5:33 PM


I read what you wrote, but it is wrong and not supported by anything but your own fantasies.
that SHOWS that mutation could not possibly have been the source of the allele for black pocket mice.
It does not show that at all. All the evidence is completely contrary to what you say.
I have been reading your fantasies here for years and so far all I have seen you show is your delusional claims to have shown us something.
Taq and RAZD have shown you evidence over and over, but you are blinded by the bible.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 86 of 140 (720844)
02-27-2014 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
02-27-2014 6:04 PM


Faith writes:
Sorry, Tanypteryx. ONE mutation for black fur in a population absolutely devoid of that allele must
must show up just in time for when it's needed, against astronomical odds
First, what do you mean just in time? The lave fields are over 1 million years old. If the mice had just 1 generation per year that would be one black mutation in a million generations.
That could hardly be described as "just in time for when it's needed."
We already know you would never be able to calculate the odds for anything, so it is obvious you are just making it up. The clue is you using "astronomical". Astronomical is not a number. It has no meaning in this context.
must show up in a germ cell, against astronomical odds
Once again, you are just making it up. You have no idea what the odds are. And again with the meaningless "astronomical odds."
and that one germ cell has to somehow get selected for parenthood, against astronomical odds
Still more made up delusions with un-calculated, incalculable odds.
and the two black furred babies out of four that are born must somehow survive the predator that has kept the population light colored forever, against astronomical odds
Again, un-calculated odds.
and survive to adulthood, against astronomical odds
Still more delusional odds.
and then just in time venture onto the black lava which will protect them, against astronomical odds.
And more fantasy odds.
There is no answer to this logic. So sorry you seem to have a problem understanding it.
There is no logic involved in anything you have said. It is pure delusional fantasy.
You just make stuff up, but you never back it up with facts or a well reasoned argument, ever.
I am wondering just how much "astronomical" is and what units do you use to measure it?
Get real Faith. Your ignorance of probabilities and genetics is glaringly obvious to anyone reading this thread. You have convinced me of one thing. The probability of you ever demonstrating an understanding of genetics or any other science is approaching zero.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 100 of 140 (720935)
03-01-2014 12:26 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Blue Jay
02-28-2014 11:56 PM


Hi Blue Jay,
Good to see you here again.
Congratulations on completing your Ph.D.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 106 of 140 (721199)
03-04-2014 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
03-04-2014 11:09 PM


Re: Neutral, deleterious or beneficial
A neutral mutation is one that doesn't change what the allele would have done anyway
That is not the only meaning of "neutral mutation". It can also cause a change in the phenotype that in the present environment is not positively or negatively selected. It is neutral as far as selection is concerned.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 108 of 140 (721208)
03-05-2014 2:44 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Faith
03-04-2014 11:53 PM


Re: Neutral, deleterious or beneficial
So let's not change the definition midstream.
I'm not changing the definition. I'm saying that your definition is incomplete and in fact is misleading.
When biologists talk about neutral mutations we mean that they are neutral to selection, not that they don't change anything. Sometime they don't change anything, but sometimes they do and it doesn't affect selection.
The point I was making was that a neutral mutation would not produce an allele for dark fur in a light colored population
I am not saying that dark fur in a light population is neutral because it is bloody obvious that in the mouse populations we are talking about the light and dark mutations can be either beneficial or deleterious depending on which of the two habitats they occur in.
The whole point of this discussion is about selection, so when we say neutral, deleterious or beneficial it seems obvious that we mean in terms of selection.
I think your understanding is incorrect or at least incomplete and that is making hard for you to understand what you are being told.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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