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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
He's just trying to prop up his faith by dishonestly making it out to be more than it is. And now he has moved on to Torah/Bible codes as a means to 'prove' his thesis. More nonsensical rubbish that was debunked years ago. Is this guy just a troll?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Is this guy just a troll?
Yes and Phat will always feed him.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Is this guy just a troll? I don't think he is intentionally trying to get a rise out of us, I think he is just a dishonest fool.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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He's not really a troll, he's just evangelising. He posts some pre-prepared junk, when he gets a rebuttal he ignores it then moves on to the next pre-prepared piece of junk.
He's doing God's work. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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He's not really a troll, he's just evangelising. He posts some pre-prepared junk, when he gets a rebuttal he ignores it then moves on to the next pre-prepared piece of junk. He's doing God's work. Reminds me of my dialog with jaywill. It is frankly quite annoying. If all you are going to do is post rubbish and then ignore rebuttals, I don't see this as something that should be tolerated in this forum. EVC is meant to be an exchange of ideas. Point and counterpoint. Not a pulpit for preaching.
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2288 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
Source of this statement, please? By that I mean a source beyond, "I said so." Bs'd Jewish tradition."According to scientific rules, in order for critics to disprove the Torah codes, they would have to find fatal flaws in each of the six papers presenting a different approach and a different code. This happened five years ago, and to date not a single flaw was found in any of these papers. Therefore, for all intent and purposes, the Torah codes have been scientifically proven, and the debate is over." Harold Gans, mathematician and professional code breaker
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2288 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
The Israelites lived for centuries among the Egyptians, and they forced circumcision on the Egyptians. So the Egyptians got it from the Jews, not the other way around. The Israelites were the underclass in that society. Bs'd In the beginning they were the rulers.
Oftentimes being part of the slave labor pool. That was near the end.
Additionally, the earliest mention of any Jewish type faith or people was no earlier than 1500 BCE. Egypt predates that by over 1000 years or more. So you got your timelines mixed up. It is the historians who have their time lines messed up. Just read the book "Ages in Chaos", and you'll see."According to scientific rules, in order for critics to disprove the Torah codes, they would have to find fatal flaws in each of the six papers presenting a different approach and a different code. This happened five years ago, and to date not a single flaw was found in any of these papers. Therefore, for all intent and purposes, the Torah codes have been scientifically proven, and the debate is over." Harold Gans, mathematician and professional code breaker
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Eliyahu Member (Idle past 2288 days) Posts: 288 From: Judah Joined: |
So if earliest known Hebrew and Jewish faith occurs no earlier than 1500 BCE and earliest known circumcision in Egypt dates to 2300 BCE, than it is impossible for the Jews to have taught or in any way influenced this procedure onto the Egyptians. Bs'd The Egyptian time line is at least 600 years out of whack. See "Ages in Chaos". Amazon.com"According to scientific rules, in order for critics to disprove the Torah codes, they would have to find fatal flaws in each of the six papers presenting a different approach and a different code. This happened five years ago, and to date not a single flaw was found in any of these papers. Therefore, for all intent and purposes, the Torah codes have been scientifically proven, and the debate is over." Harold Gans, mathematician and professional code breaker
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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You're citing Velikovsky as a source, and you expect someone to accord you (or him) any credibility?
You might as well cite von Dniken, or Mickey Mouse. Why can't you follow the evidence for a change?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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you writes: you writes: me writes: The Egyptians were doing circumcisions before the Jews were. They've found wall carvings showing it and they've found mummies that were circumcised. The Israelites lived for centuries among the Egyptians, and they forced circumcision on the Egyptians. So the Egyptians got it from the Jews, not the other way around. Source of this statement, please?By that I mean a source beyond, "I said so." Jewish tradition. You're so stupid I cannot contain myself.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
In the beginning they were the rulers. Oh really? You know, that's funny because the wikipedia article on the history of the Jews in Egypt makes no mention of them being rulers. They were immigrants to that area forming part of the original trade economy. History of the Jews in Egypt - Wikipedia You want to cite me a source that isn't some vague blogpost from a crackpot?
It is the historians who have their time lines messed up. Just read the book "Ages in Chaos", and you'll see. Ahhhhh. So all the historians are wrong and one book written by noted nutjob Immanuel Velikovsky should be my baseline source for sound information? Oh, here is an excerpt regarding a refutation of your book you may want to review:
quote: So in 1965 (nearly 50 years ago), this nonsense was debunked and the author could never refute the attacking arguments. Yet here we are in 2014 and we still have people such as yourself peddling this nonsense. Coyote was right. You might as well start citing Erich von Dniken as source material. Why stop there? Maybe you can use the Harry Potter series to demonstrate that witches and wizards walk among us. Edited by Diomedes, : Fixed typo
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Maybe you can use the Harry Potter series to demonstrate that witches and wizards walk among us. Well, it is the latest publication on the subject. And it hasn't been refuted. So according to scientific rules, for all intents and purposes it has been scientifically proven and the debate is over. Edited by Catholic Scientist, : I accidentally a word.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Well, it is the latest publication on the subject. And it hasn't been refuted. So according to scientific rules, for all intents and purposes it has been scientifically proven and the debate is over. Excellent! I live near Universal Studios, Orlando so maybe I should swing by the Harry Potter exhibit and buy myself a wand.
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so maybe I should swing by the Harry Potter exhibit and buy myself a wand. *sigh* You stupid Muggles don't know anything. Edited by Catholic Scientist, : added smiley
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
*sigh* You stupid Muggles don't know anything Drat! Just checked out one of those wands and its just a glorified flashlight. Hmmmm. Makes me think: merge a Taser with a Harry Potter wand. That would at least convey the possibility of 'magic'.
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