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Taq
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Message 14 of 139 (721274)
03-05-2014 11:42 PM


Sharpshooter Fallacy
The Bible Codes boil down to a fancy Sharpshooter Fallacy where you paint the bull's eye around the bullet hole. No one predicted beforehand that specific phrases would be found in the Torah. Instead, they manipulate the Torah until they get something, and then claim after the fact that the Torah meant to say that all along.
What would have been much more impressive is if the codes were predicted before any manipulation was done, but that isn't the case.

  
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Message 19 of 139 (721302)
03-06-2014 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Eliyahu
03-06-2014 12:21 AM


The codes I showed you guys, four or five lettered words with a skip between 7 and 50, can. with a bit of patience, be integrated in a text. No divine intervention needed for that one. Still, they are good examples to show that the codes are there, because everybody can check it out for himself.
The argument we disagree with is that it required a divine authority to produce the codes.
And now the code. It just happens to be so that the word esther pops up in the Torah (the Torah is the first five books of the Tanach; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, that is the most holy part of the Jewish Bible) only once, and that is in Genesis 4:14.
Was this predicted ahead of time? If not, you are just painting the bull's eye around the bullet hole.

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Message 46 of 139 (721421)
03-07-2014 2:33 AM
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03-06-2014 11:10 PM


Normally in science, a chance of 1 in 20 is taken as not te be coincidence anymore, for instance in testing medication.
The odds of winning the Powerball lottery is 1 in 150 million, yet people win it all of the time.
So after six years of brooding on the codes, and after calling in the worlds foremost expert on statistics who delved into it, and who couldn't find a flaw, it was published.
The flaw is that it commits the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. These combinations of letters were not predicted before hand.

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Message 59 of 139 (721459)
03-07-2014 11:39 AM
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03-07-2014 9:20 AM


Your point being?
Occurences with improbable odds occur every second of our day, and they are the product of very mundane processes, not divine ones.
Isn't that weird, that something with a so obvious fallacy, passes through six years of peer review, by the worlds best statisticians?
Isn't it weird that the world's best statisticians say that their probabilities are invalid?

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Message 122 of 139 (721819)
03-12-2014 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Eliyahu
03-12-2014 1:54 AM


Re: Bring arguments, don't be just a naysayer
Bring arguments, don't be just a naysayer.
Sure. Let's use elephants in clouds as our example. Here is one.
Now, the statistical probability that water vapor, air pressure, sunlight, etc. would all line up at the exactly the right time and exactly the right place to produce exactly that elephant is staggeringly improbable. We are talking 1 in trillions.
So, was that elephant the product of random, natural processes or was it the product of the divine?
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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