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Author Topic:   Six possible things for creationists to disbelieve before breakfast
Dogmafood
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Message 10 of 35 (712801)
12-06-2013 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Coyote
12-05-2013 10:20 PM


Well I don't know what the creationists think but I think that the find itself is more interesting anyway.
If I might trouble you with a question. How does the flow chart go? Do we know which is the oldest? Did the Neanderthals and Denisovans leave Africa long before H Sapiens?

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Message 19 of 35 (721672)
03-11-2014 7:43 AM
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12-10-2013 10:25 AM


Neanderthal extinction
A bit off the topic but...
A fairly popular hypothesis regarding the extinction of the Neanderthals is that they lost the battle for resources with modern humans. I have read that there were not more than about 3500 breeding Neanderthal women and so the population was always small. Do we know about how many modern humans they would have been competing with? It seems to me that the populations of both groups was too small to indicate that there would be much competition for resources over such a large area as Europe and Asia.

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Dogmafood
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Message 22 of 35 (721827)
03-12-2014 12:48 PM
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03-11-2014 11:35 AM


Re: Neanderthal extinction
I suspect that climate change had something to do with it,
Seems way more plausible to me. Still, how long did it take for the glaciers to advance? We are talking at least decades right and did they even reach Spain? You would think that they could have migrated out of the way.

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Dogmafood
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Message 24 of 35 (721849)
03-12-2014 2:49 PM
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03-12-2014 1:07 PM


Re: Neanderthal extinction
Thanks that was interesting. Obviously there is plenty more to figure out but it is astounding to me how much we can learn from a few old bones.
I have this image of one single offspring carrying the critical genetic material that led to modern humans. Our entire existence resting on one single essential mutation that allowed us to prosper. Such an incredibly thin beginning.

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Message 28 of 35 (722059)
03-14-2014 8:43 PM
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03-13-2014 12:23 PM


Re: Neanderthal extinction
But I am not suggesting the glaciers ran over them, so it's not a matter of migrating out of the way.
I meant in a sort of 'so to speak' way. Being hunter gatherers I would think that they were adept at following the food. If the food supply is moving over the course of decades I would think that they would have simply followed along. As the glaciers advanced both the food and the people would have been concentrated I guess. Still a pretty big area.
Is it odd that there should only be a population of about 10k of them if they were around for 370k yrs? Maybe they just weren't all that good at surviving.

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