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Author Topic:   33% of Americas Reject Evolution
RAZD
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Message 4 of 24 (715046)
12-31-2013 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Diomedes
12-31-2013 3:00 PM


... but I believe the numbers that rejected evolution used to be much higher? As high as 50% at one point.

I go with Dr A that it depends on how you look at\report the data.

quote:
The Pew Research Religion & Public Life Project report released Monday found that 33% think "humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time." Sixty percent agreed with evolution.

Among those who agree with human evolution, about half attribute it to "natural processes such as natural selection." Whereas, 24% of adults say "a supreme being guided the evolution of living things."


So if you add 33 and 24 you get 57% by god/s hand/s

pew results

quote:
due to natural processes such as natural selection” (32% of the American public overall).

so
33% pure god/s
24% gods and evolution
32% pure evolution
11% unknown

Interesting that they don't break it down by education ... oh wait, they did:

Evolved over time Existed in present form
College grad 72% 24%
some college 62% 33%
HS grad or less 51% 38%

Inverse correlation -- color me surprised
This may also explain some of the differences between men and women ...

Enjoy

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RAZD
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Message 7 of 24 (715094)
01-01-2014 12:22 PM
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01-01-2014 11:24 AM


Education has always been the thorn in the side of religious zealotry. It's hard to keep the masses willfully ignorant as people become more knowledgeable about their surroundings.

I think there is a little more to it than that.

When fundamentalists teach people outright falsehoods under the guise of religious truth, then as these are exposed by education the people lose faith, sometimes catastrophically as was recorded on the Peanut Gallery for Great debate: radiocarbon dating, Mindspawn and Coyote/RAZD thread Message 231

quote:
At school (in our country that normally goes till you're 18, Grade 12) one of my classmates was raised as an True Christian (PTY LTD) . Known in the US as True Christian (TM). SDA. Not even allowed to drink Coca Cola at home.

After school he went to Uni, got brilliant grades, but the cognitive dissonance got too much for him. He killed himself after 3 years. Gassed himself in his car. Reality contradicted his beliefs. With tragic results for him and his family.


Most others seem to lose faith entirely when the cognitive dissonance gets too great. Very few afaic, like Greg Morton, change beliefs to resolve the conflicts but remain faithful.

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Message 16 of 24 (722673)
03-24-2014 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Gus
03-23-2014 5:26 PM


Hi Gus and welcome to the fray,

Have a look at The Creation Answers book, and Creation Magazine. Figures? These add up.

No I can't say that I have, nor can I see what exactly you are talking about. Perhaps you could take what you feel is the most convincing point and present it. Hopefully you would be able to defend this point rather than just parrot it.

Note for this discussion the process of evolution is an observed demonstrated fact.

The process of evolution involves changes in the composition of hereditary traits, and changes to the frequency of their distributions within breeding populations from generation to generation, in response to ecological challenges and opportunities.

This occurs in virtually every generation of every species living in the world today, and to reject\disbelieve this fact is imho irrational, as if you can reject\disbelieve gravity.


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Message 17 of 24 (722680)
03-24-2014 9:10 AM
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03-23-2014 5:16 PM


same old misconceptions
To add to what others have said:

... Evolution was not possible(an understatement) ...

Seeing as the process of evolution has been observed occurring constantly around us, this is a rather ignorant (undereducated) and incorrect (falsified) statement.

It appears that you are one of the undereducated\delusional33%.*

... Creation is what happened. ...

Do you have any actual evidence of this or is it just an empty assertion?

... Nature programs, for example, should not speak in terms of us having evolved. It's by far not proven, never will be. ...

Actually it has been demonstrated that we are more closely related to chimpanzees than they are to gorillas. Some scientists argue that Pan troglodytes could more properly be labeled Homo troglodytes.

... There is no missing link. ...

Curiously there are quite a number of intermediates (how scientists refer to "missing links" that have been found):

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/hominids.html

quote:

Figure 1.4.4. Fossil hominid skulls. Some of the figures have been modified for ease of comparison (only left-right mirroring or removal of a jawbone). (Images © 2000 Smithsonian Institution.)

These are just some of the intermediates in the fossil record.

"A" is a modern chimp, Pan troglodytes and "N" is a modern man, Homo sapiens sapiens, and the others are the fossil hominids from earliest to latest -- where do you draw the line where there are no intermediate fossils?

Now it is quite possible that you have not been exposed to the facts as known by science, but it is possible to correct ignorance by learning.

The question is whether you want to learn what science has to say, or do you want to hide your ignorance behind faith in delusional teachings.

The earth is old, very very old. Would you like to discuss the evidence that shows that the earth is old? See Message 63.

Are you on a search for truth or just preachin.



Notes

* where "delusional" refers to 1b or 2 until 3 is demonstrated:

de•lu•sion -noun (American Heritage Dictionary 2009)

  1. a. The act or process of deluding.
    b. The state of being deluded.
  2. A false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.
  3. Psychiatry A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.

and where "delusional" 1b or 2, like ignorance, are curable by education\learning.


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Message 20 of 24 (723787)
04-08-2014 2:06 PM
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04-08-2014 1:21 PM


Re: 33% of Americans are delusional
Welcome to the fray MFFJM2,

Gus, you wrote,
"If about 33% reject evolutio ...

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Yes, it is shocking that only 33% of Americans accept the fact of evolution through natural selection, especially since it has been observed, backed up by the fossil record, human/chimp chromosomes, and ERVs in the human genome.

I think you have that backwards. But what is more shocking than 1/3rd of americans rejecting evolution is that 1/4th of americans think the sun orbits the earth.

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