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RAZD
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Message 31 of 1309 (722825)
03-25-2014 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Faith
03-25-2014 8:37 AM


... Homosexual sex does not reproduce. ...

So?

Can you tell me when you chose to be heterosexual? Or have you always known?

Should we outlaw every living style that does not lead to reproduction?

Single people cannot reproduce on their own, so single living should be outlawed?

Nunneries and Monasteries should be outlawed?

What about non-co-ed dormitories at universities?

Should every couple not producing offspring be jailed?

Why would it matter?


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Theodoric
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Message 32 of 1309 (722826)
03-25-2014 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Faith
03-25-2014 9:51 AM


And your remark was short sighted, bigoted and a strawman. This was pointed out to you and now you respond as you always do.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 33 of 1309 (722827)
03-25-2014 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by RAZD
03-25-2014 9:56 AM


Oh for crying out loud, read what I said IN CONTEXT.

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Message 34 of 1309 (722828)
03-25-2014 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Faith
03-25-2014 9:51 AM


There is no context that can make this statement be anything but incredibly stupid and completely wrong:

quote:
The problem with your theory is that homosexuals don't reproduce, period.

There are countless gay people who have had children by having sex with members of the opposite sex.

Nobody has implied that gay sex can produce children.

You said something boneheaded, own up to it. Don't dig your heels in and shout.


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Message 35 of 1309 (722829)
03-25-2014 10:06 AM
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03-25-2014 9:58 AM


Pointing out that unlike asexually reproducing creatures, homosexuals cannot reproduce through homosexual sex is bigoted and short sighted and a straw man? And here I thought it was a simple logical rebuttal to an illogical assertion.

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Message 36 of 1309 (722830)
03-25-2014 10:08 AM
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03-25-2014 10:06 AM


And you haven't read the context either. Not that it matters. Nobody here is interested in actual communication, or logic or anything of the sort.

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Message 37 of 1309 (722831)
03-25-2014 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by New Cat's Eye
03-25-2014 10:06 AM


Nobody has implied that gay sex can produce children.

PRESSIE COMPARED HOMOSEXUALS TO ASEXUALLY REPRODUCING CREATURES.

ASEXUALLY REPRODUCING CREATURES REPRODUCE.

HOMOSEXUALS CANNOT REPRODUCE EXCEPT BY NONHOMOSEXUAL SEX.

SHEESH.

IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! *IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! *

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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RAZD
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Message 38 of 1309 (722832)
03-25-2014 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Faith
03-25-2014 10:04 AM


Oh for crying out loud, read what I said IN CONTEXT.

Ah, so reproduction is not an issue.

Good.

Then there is no reason for bigotry and biased beliefs, and people should be treated equally under the laws of the land regardless of sexual orientations.

Glad you agree.

Of course it doesn't really matter what you think in this regard as we see increased recognition of equality occurring at a steady pace. In spite of bigotry and biased beliefs.


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Message 39 of 1309 (722834)
03-25-2014 10:20 AM
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03-25-2014 10:16 AM


IDIOT!

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Message 40 of 1309 (722835)
03-25-2014 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
03-25-2014 10:12 AM


And you haven't read the context either.

Yes, I have. Here it is again:

quote:
lokiare writes:

So if homosexuality doesn't fit into evolution why is it here at all?


Homosexuality sure does fit into the theory of evolution. It's very basic. All sexually reproducing eukaryotic organisms derive from a common ancestor which was a single celled eukaryotic species. That species reproduced both sexually and asexually, depending on the conditions being favourable for asexual reproduction and other conditions being favourable for sexual reproduction.

Easy.


PRESSIE COMPARED HOMOSEXUALS TO ASEXUALLY REPRODUCING CREATURES.

But in what way? He certainly didn't imply that homosexual intercourse could produce children.

ASEXUALLY REPRODUCING CREATURES REPRODUCE.

HOMOSEXUALS CANNOT REPRODUCE EXCEPT BY NONHOMOSEXUAL SEX.

Oh, so you've dropped the "period", and you admit that homosexuals can reproduce.

So now what was so bad about the comparison? Gay people can reproduce.

IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! *IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! *

Wow, you're a real cunt.


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Message 41 of 1309 (722840)
03-25-2014 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Faith
03-25-2014 10:06 AM


Well you are obviloulsy a bigot and that you have turned this whole conversation into an argument solely about the ability of there to be reproduction by homosexual sex shows this bigotry. Also by turning this into a conversation that homosexuals cannot reproduce by homosexual sex is a strawman. Homosexuals can, have and do reproduce so thow this shitcan of an argument away. It means nothing, has no business in this conversation and is just a way for you to show your bigotry and hate.
IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! *IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! *

The quality of your argumentation does not surprise me. It is what I expect from you and your ilk.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 42 of 1309 (722841)
03-25-2014 10:37 AM
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03-25-2014 10:12 AM


IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! *IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! *

So much for civil dialog. Are these continuous tantrums on your part really necessary? I am sorry, but this is the type of behavior I would expect from a five year old, not an adult.


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Message 43 of 1309 (722848)
03-25-2014 11:56 AM
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03-25-2014 10:12 AM


Faith writes:

IDIOTS! * IDIOTS! * IDIOTS!


Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the most idiotic of all?

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RAZD
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Message 44 of 1309 (722858)
03-25-2014 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
03-25-2014 10:20 AM


IDIOT!

Yes, people who think that anyone should be deprived of basic human rights for any reason is an idiot.

It's such a simple concept: Person is a human ... basic human rights ... person has rights.


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Message 45 of 1309 (722862)
03-25-2014 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by lokiare
03-24-2014 2:41 PM


Same old, same old.
lokiare writes:

Homosexuality and Evo, Creo, and ID

Evolution doesn't say anything about the morality of homosexuality.
It just acknowledges that homosexual behaviour exists. This is kind of obvious.

It's pretty clear that a literal reading of the Bible (especially the Old Testament) shows it to be against homosexuality.
It's also pretty clear that a literal reading of the Bible is... um... well... it's silly. Ridiculous. Laughable.

Anyone who thinks the passages against homosexuality are valid, but the passages against shellfish and mixing fibres are not is going against a literal reading of the Bible. They are putting their own interpretation on the passages, pulling certain things out of context and not others inconsistently, and their motives for doing so are extremely obvious.

Reading the Bible as a whole, understanding that certain aspects were for a long-dead civilization, and focusing on the morality of the New Testament... well... the Bible's still against homosexuality, but it's much easier to explain away in light of other more general passages.

As far as morality in general goes:

Anyone who is "against homosexuality" in the sense that they don't like it and don't want anything to do with it and they may even find it disgusting... you're perfectly within your rights to feel this way. Some people like it, some don't. It's really not a big deal. No one cares if you get freaked out by snakes either... it's kind of funny to those of us who think snakes are cool and awesome... but no one really cares about your personal psychological issues. We all have our own to deal with.

Anyone who is "against homosexuality" in the sense that they want to stop adults from having sex with each other for any reason whatsoever... you're evil. Regardless of the basis for your ideas. It can come from the Bible, or your beliefs, or your grand-daddy's dying words. If you want to stop adults from doing something that doesn't hurt anyone and actually spreads love throughout this world... you're evil. You're against Love. And I spit upon your honour.


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