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Percy
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Message 6 of 61 (723249)
03-28-2014 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Taq
03-27-2014 5:30 PM


Re: On a Piece of Chalk or a hill in Italy
The mystery isn't why we can't find sufficiently persuasive facts, because we have. The mystery is why people hold beliefs that facts can't touch. I think our failure in convincing creationists isn't one of facts but of human spirit. The same indomitable human will that leads to our greatest achievements also causes creationists to cling tenaciously to their beliefs.
--Percy

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Message 11 of 61 (723283)
03-28-2014 2:35 PM
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03-28-2014 2:27 PM


"Familiar quotes are often mistakenly attributed to Ben Franklin, Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain."
-Aristotle
Or was it Thomas Jefferson?
--Percy

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Message 14 of 61 (723295)
03-28-2014 3:45 PM
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03-28-2014 11:57 AM


I guess I'm asking us to consider who among us has no irrational stance on anything. There but for the grace of God go us, except that God granted us no such grace and we are in all likelihood treading our own irrational path on some topic or another. We err if we deem creationists to be poor misbegotten souls of an inferior caste. They are us and we are them.
--Percy

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Message 17 of 61 (723325)
03-29-2014 7:37 AM
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03-28-2014 7:16 PM


NoNukes writes:
Being compassionate and understanding is one thing. Excusing pigheadedness is fine. But elevating ignorance and illogic to the level of being virtues is something else.
What I was saying was along somewhat different lines. Taq said we should "take away their membership cards in the human race," referring to those unconvinced by the chalk evidence and the cliffs of Dover, but who among us has no beliefs untouchable by evidence? It could even be argued that our irrational side is a significant part of what makes us human. When it comes to turning in membership cards, if anyone should be asked to resign from the human race it should be those who are unfailingly coldly rational.
Ignorance and irrationality should be fought at every practical opportunity, and especially when it's us, but we can't let our alliance here with the side that has all the evidence and knowledge lead us to a conceit that we're somehow better or more human than creationists. We might be more knowledgeable and rational about evolution and about science in general, we may even be more knowledgeable and rational in general, but nothing of significance separates the humanity of evolutionists and creationists.
--Percy

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