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Message 16 of 35 (723404)
04-01-2014 9:56 AM
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Re: xenophobic
Conservatives have completely rigged the system so that it is much more difficult to crawl out of poverty than ever before.
Do you have any particular legislation in mind?

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Message 17 of 35 (723415)
04-01-2014 11:34 AM
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04-01-2014 9:56 AM


Re: xenophobic
Do you have any particular legislation in mind?
The Warren Buffet rule would be a beginning, where people making over a 500k have to pay a minimum tax that is in line with what the middle class pays. Increasing the tax for capital gains would be a big first step.
We also need to reinvest in education, strengthen unions, increase the minimum wage, and make other regulations that would reduce income inequality.

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Message 18 of 35 (723417)
04-01-2014 11:40 AM
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Re: xenophobic
Oh, I meant an example of that conservative legislation that is rigging the system.

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Message 19 of 35 (723419)
04-01-2014 11:59 AM
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04-01-2014 11:40 AM


Re: xenophobic
Oh, I meant an example of that conservative legislation that is rigging the system.
"Right to Work" legislation that broke up unions, rules that allow billionaires to pay 15% income tax, reduction of spending on education resulting in sky rocketing tuition costs, and continued obstruction of single payer health insurance, to name a few.
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Message 20 of 35 (723422)
04-01-2014 12:13 PM
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04-01-2014 11:59 AM


Re: xenophobic
reduction of spending on education resulting in sky rocketing tuition costs
Yes, you've said that conservatives have caused tuition to spike by lowering the contribution from the state. What legislation did this?

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Message 21 of 35 (723427)
04-01-2014 12:53 PM
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04-01-2014 11:40 AM


Re: xenophobic
Oh, I meant an example of that conservative legislation that is rigging the system.
Good question. Although, I think it is one that you could answer yourself.
First a counter example though. One thing republicans seem to like even less than funding education is student voting. The republicans in Ohio actually proposed legislation that would retaliate against colleges that provided assistance to student voters (by doing things like providing documentation to the DMV upon request) by making all voting students eligible for in state tuition, thereby lowering the cost of education for out of state students.
Of course they never actually pulled off this bit of legislation that would have cost their schools 370 million dollars.
Enough fun. NC provides an excellent example of the kind of policies that the Republicans put in place. Currently, despite the fact that the state is something close to evenly split between Dems and Repubs (as evidenced by the last two national elections and the fact that our two Senators come from two different parties, the republican party now controls both legislative houses and we have a republican governor. The republicans enacted what was initially supposed to be a budget neutral tax policy, but the neutrality was base on lowering the upper tax bracket and applying a ridiculous, but quintessentially Republican policy that raised the sales tax on food items in order to increase the taxes paid by those of modest and lower incomes. I believe we call that kind of policy regressive for obvious reasons.
However the republicans could not pull off the more regressive parts of the plan, so they implement just the tax cuts and left the budget in a shambles. NC teachers are among the lowest paid in the nation, and teachers in the western, upper and lower parts of the state can now find better paying jobs by crossing the border. That's right, our teachers are not paid even as well as the teachers in the educational wasteland we call South Carolina.
And of course the university system took a hit too. Huge cuts in the funding for the university, with the result that both in state and out of state tuition has gone up. Eleven years ago I obtained a JD at the nearby public university and spent about 10K out of pocket. Yes, that was a huge bargain, but tuition gone up way by about 3 times since then.
Your question, while well meaning, that I need to point to a piece of legislation is too limited. In the case of NC, we can point to conservative policies and a plan that stack the deck against poor people getting ahead. In some cases it's about legislation that will never pass in your state. Even the junior colleges here are getting more expensive and are offering fewer courses at a time when the obvious policies to apply when your state has an unemployment rate well above that of the national average would be to invest in education.
Instead we have Republican presidential candidates actually ridiculing the idea of more people going to college as elitist when they themselves have college degrees.
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Message 22 of 35 (723429)
04-01-2014 1:07 PM
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04-01-2014 12:13 PM


Re: xenophobic
Yes, you've said that conservatives have caused tuition to spike by lowering the contribution from the state. What legislation did this?
The current budget is a good example. Sequestration for spending on education, and yet they found room to spend billions on subsidies for Exxon and corporate farms.

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Message 23 of 35 (723430)
04-01-2014 1:21 PM
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04-01-2014 1:07 PM


Re: xenophobic
Yes, you've said that conservatives have caused tuition to spike by lowering the contribution from the state. What legislation did this?
The current budget is a good example. Sequestration for spending on education, and yet they found room to spend billions on subsidies for Exxon and corporate farms.
Um, weren't the budgets for the past five years dictated by what the Senate would vote for and the President would sign?
According to Wiki: "The solution [sequester] came from White House National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling, who, on July 12, 2011, proposed a compulsory trigger that would go into effect if another agreement was not made on tax increases and/or budget cuts equal to or greater than the debt ceiling increase by a future date."
I fail to see where "conservatives" are ruling anything right now.

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Message 24 of 35 (723437)
04-01-2014 2:24 PM
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04-01-2014 1:07 PM


Re: xenophobic
The current budget is a good example. Sequestration for spending on education, and yet they found room to spend billions on subsidies for Exxon and corporate farms.
Sigh, I really wanted to read some specific legislation.
The left says its all the right's fault, and the right says its all the left's fault, and nobody ever shows me any actual legislation.

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Message 25 of 35 (723439)
04-01-2014 2:46 PM
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04-01-2014 2:24 PM


Re: xenophobic
I did point to legislation. The state budget is legislation. Congressional funding is legislated. What are you expecting?

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I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Message 26 of 35 (723440)
04-01-2014 2:53 PM
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04-01-2014 2:24 PM


Re: xenophobic
The left says its all the right's fault, and the right says its all the left's fault, and nobody ever shows me any actual legislation.
Reagan public school aid formula: cut and consolidate - CSMonitor.com
This article dates back to the Reagan revolution regarding education - of course, he had already begun the decline of the California school system years before as our governor.
President Reagan now insists that Washington gained "disproportionate" control over school operations along with the help it gave. In setting forth its revision in the fiscal 1982 education budget, the Reagan administration appears to be trying to strike what it sees as a balance in control over education programs as well as a balance in the federal budget.
The administration proposes to cut federal aid to elementary and secondary schools from $7.2 billion to $5.6 billion -- 22.2 percent -- and to refocus the remainder to help only in areas where there is a "clear" federal role. Some of these cuts will not be made until the 1981-82 school year.
Now, the republicans can't step up fast enough to declare they are 'Reaganesque' in their attitudes towards budgets, federal government roles, and waste & fraud inherent in the system. It's been in the works for years. And conventional wisdom, as well as most of the voting public, revere Ronald Reagan as the savior of our country. *shrug*
I don't think you can point to specific legislation as much as the whole culture Reagan created, starting in the 60s.

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Message 27 of 35 (723442)
04-01-2014 3:01 PM
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04-01-2014 2:24 PM


Re: xenophobic
Sigh, I really wanted to read some specific legislation.
Sigh, I thought you realized that the budget is legislation.
Sigh, I thought you realized that "right to work" legislation is . . . well . . . legislation.
Right-to-work law - Wikipedia
Take a look at the states that are "right to work". They pretty much follow the electoral map from the last election.
Right-to-work law - Wikipedia
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Message 28 of 35 (723444)
04-01-2014 3:10 PM
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04-01-2014 1:21 PM


Re: xenophobic
Um, weren't the budgets for the past five years dictated by what the Senate would vote for and the President would sign?
They were dictated by what the Republicans were willing to open the government for, which happened to be just a skosh above the Ryan Budget that was used for the last Presidential campaign. The current budget is what the Republicans campaigned on, not what the Democrats proposed.

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Message 29 of 35 (723445)
04-01-2014 3:15 PM
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04-01-2014 3:01 PM


Re: xenophobic
I don't care about unions. You were talking about the cost of education and how the conservatives rigged the system so that education would cost too much for poor people. I was looking to find the legislation that did that.

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Message 30 of 35 (723446)
04-01-2014 3:16 PM
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04-01-2014 2:46 PM


Re: xenophobic
I haven't gotten to your post yet. And I need to get back to work now. But I'll get to it eventually.

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