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Message 168 of 313 (660768)
04-29-2012 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by foreveryoung
04-28-2012 11:42 PM


Re: Book: Liberal Media Distorts News Bias
Hi foreveryoung,
I'm having a hard time trying to follow your logic; that's if you even tried to make an argument. It seems like a bunch of disconnected thoughts to me. So, if there is no liberal bias in the media , then I'm sure you would agree that there is no conservative bias in the media as well?
If a politician gets involved in a scandal then it is covered by the news, regardless of the political stripe of the politician.
What I would agree is that there is no political bias, rather that the bias today in news is for sensationalism and "infotainment" rather than honest reporting on the facts.
Young people these days do not know what real news was like, when politicians made silly statements and were called out on them by the press.
The whole paradigm of Fox that a "fair and balanced" reporting is necessary is false: this assumes that people doing silly things happens in a fair and balanced manner, that there is a fair and balanced view to both sides of an issue rather than a valid and invalid one.
It's like saying a mass abuser on trial can only be confronted by one accuser so that the trial is fair and balanced.
The whole bias of Fox is to entertain gullible people and lull them into a world of false concepts portrayed as truths: this is evidenced by a poll that showed that Fox viewers knew LESS about world events than people that did not watch ANY news.
The idea that "fair and balanced" is necessary for reporting the news assumes that events occur in a fair and balanced manner, that there necessarily are as many democratic politicians as republican politicians involved in scandals, and that is just not logically valid.
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Message 170 of 313 (660814)
04-29-2012 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by dwise1
04-29-2012 12:07 PM


Here's an example of media bias in coverage of the news ...
MEDIA FAIL: Why Is It OK For Ted Nugent To Say It, But Not The Dixie Chicks?!? - Upworthy
quote:
MEDIA FAIL: Why Is It OK For Ted Nugent To Say It, But Not The Dixie Chicks?!?
Whether you love or hate the Dixie Chicks, this is a pretty clear example of how unfair the media can be. Share this today.

So is this liberal bias? Is this "fair and balanced"?
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Message 175 of 313 (660866)
04-30-2012 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by Artemis Entreri
04-29-2012 6:59 PM


Re: That is no example. Unless you look at it with open eyes.
Hi Artemis Entreri
what happened to the Dixie chicks has nothing to do with fox news, nor does what didn't happen to sweaty teddy.
Correct, it has to do with the false claim of liberal bias in the media, which Fox\Faux (and Faux is old btw usage here) News(propaganda infomercials) uses to justify their bias and their pretense of fair and balanced (which is pure bull).
and what is with that comparison between country music and hard rock (oh yeah i forgot this is from some random blog you found).
you should compare the Dixie Chicks (country) and Hank Williams Jr (country). oh, wait Hank did get in trouble for saying bad things about the POTUS.
Apologetics in action, thanks for demonstrating that you personally give a pass to someone who threatens the POTUS versus someone who just comments about the war.
What is compared is (A) public people making a rather common liberal comment about war, to (B) public person making an extremist position targeting the life of the President, and what the reactions in the public and in the media that followed.
Do you really think they are not comparable? Or do you just not want to admit to yourself that there really is a difference in how these are reported on and covered.
Cognitive dissonance is like that.
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Message 178 of 313 (660876)
04-30-2012 7:06 AM
Reply to: Message 177 by Dr Adequate
04-30-2012 4:45 AM


Re: que sera sera
and the phrase "faux news" gets "About 53,200,000 results"
index
quote:

LOL

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Message 180 of 313 (660923)
04-30-2012 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Dr Adequate
04-30-2012 7:20 AM


Re: que sera sera
and when I do → "fauxnews" ← - I get
About 76,300 results (0.17 seconds)
... which, as far as I am concerned are the same thing.
The phrase "faux news" only gets 1,060,00
Which I would have said was ""faux news"" ... on of the problems with quoting google inputs
Certainly way more hits that Aertemis's phrase, by orders of magnitude.
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Message 184 of 313 (660971)
05-01-2012 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by NoNukes
04-30-2012 10:48 PM


silly tenacity over rather pointless numbers.
Hi NoNukes, hope you are well.
I'm confused regarding your counting method. Did not Artermis's phrase get nearly 700,000 hits? How is 76,300 results orders of magnitude different even when combined with the million or so hits Dr. Adequate reported?
76,300 + 1,060,000 = 1,136,300 hits.
You can get another 37,100 hits for "fox fake news" and you can try "fox's fake news" and whatever you like for more hits
What I was pointing out is that there many are different ways to say "faux news" which all amount to the same thing.
Now we can keep going down this rather silly and ultimately pointless rabbit hole to continue to find ways to say it and add to the total, but the original point was that faux news got 53,200,000 hits.
All of this is based on the rather ludicrous assumption that the number of hits is a measure of something of value ... which it isn't, especially when there is a whole web-blog called fauxnews making fun of Fox and republicans, which drives up the number of hits considerably by have many hits for the same pages.
Are we really that out of things to debate that counting google numbers is important enough to obsess about?
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Message 185 of 313 (660973)
05-01-2012 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by Dr Adequate
05-01-2012 6:46 AM


Re: que sera sera
so the point of your reply to me was clarification on that?
when my point was that google hit numbers are rather irrelevant, even though /faux news got even more hits, because /faux news has been around for years.
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Message 186 of 313 (660985)
05-01-2012 9:42 AM
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05-01-2012 5:46 AM


Re: que sera sera
Hi Panda
Surely all these numbers are irrelevant?
Astoundingly so.
Dr. A wasn't playing "who got the most hits on google", he was playing "point at Artemis Entreri the hypocritical idiot".
And it's even funnier when he's asking Jar if he originated a phrase that is even more prevalent. It's like being as out of touch as Mitt Romney.
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Message 229 of 313 (663707)
05-26-2012 6:49 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by Jzyehoshua
05-26-2012 5:39 AM


Re: All networks biased
Hi again
-2004 Pew Research Center State of the News Media. Showed 34% of the national press and 23% of the local press are liberal to just 20% of the general public, and 7% of the national press and 12% of the local press are conservative to 33% of the general public. Not only does it show the media is far more liberal than average Americans, but this is even more extreme at the national than local level due apparently to bias in the national ranks for promotion opportunities.
Did you add up the percentages? You must have omitted a lot of people in the middle to pit one extreme against the other this way. Is that also why an 8 year old study is used? One with the curious title: "Bottom-Line Pressures Now Hurting Coverage, Say Journalists
Press Going Too Easy on Bush "
The real bias in news is the bottom line, and this has turned news into entertainment, susceptible to whatever gets good ratings rather than what is actually news.
National Press 34% "liberal" and 7% "conservative" is only 41% of the national press -- so what are the other 59% biased for?
Local Press 23% "liberal" and 12% "conservative" is only 34% of the local press -- leaving 66% as relatively unbiased.
Seems to me that the preponderance of unbiased press is more than either extreme, would you not agree?
General Public 20% "liberal" and 33% "conservative" leaves 45% in the middle, they appear to be best represented in the media.
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Message 232 of 313 (663723)
05-26-2012 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by Jzyehoshua
05-26-2012 7:07 AM


Re: All networks biased
Hi again Jzyehoshua
I didn't mention the Moderates (54% of national press, 61% of local press, and 41% of General Public) because I didn't see it as that necessary. All 3 groups, National Press, Local Press, and General Public add up to 100%. I gave the link, the chart's not that hard to find there.
Actually there were four groups, the last one being "not sure"
This showed self-identification of journalists. ...
Which shows one of the problems with the survey, using self-identification (admission) rather than some empirical scale position. You can have half of the "liberal" people being moderate liberals and all of the conservatives being reactionary conservatives - which should be more properly contrasted with radical liberals.
I didn't mention the Moderates (54% of national press, 61% of local press, and 41% of General Public) because I didn't see it as that necessary. All 3 groups, National Press, Local Press, and General Public add up to 100%. I gave the link, the chart's not that hard to find there.
So the majority are not biased against either liberals or conservatives ...
... It caused controversy with groups like Newsbusters trumpeting the find as evidence of the liberal media, and the PRC hasn't asked the question since, unfortunately.
Do you have evidence of this or is this just your opinion?
It shows that both moderates and conservatives are at higher levels in the local press than national, and are thus being kept out of the upper ranks, rather than given promotion. ...
... or it could just be that the selection was based on education and ability to do the job ...
You are aware of who owns the networks right? Do you think they have no say in who gets promoted or hired?
Have you seen the surveys on actual coverage of news and whether that shows bias or not?
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Message 241 of 313 (723468)
04-02-2014 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by Dr Adequate
04-01-2014 2:28 PM


as of March 31st ...
7,100,000
and now the GOP alternate reality machine is saying that the White House is "cooking the books" ... yep, and Romney won in 2012 ... it is amazing to watch people so committed to being wrong.

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Message 254 of 313 (723515)
04-03-2014 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Theodoric
04-03-2014 9:23 AM


Re: Due When? Why?
It is important to realize that open enrollment is not a feature of just ACA, it is part of all group health insurance.
And even applies to Medicare supplement programs.
But if we go to universal single payer Medicare expansion then it becomes less important.
The reason that car and house insurance could allow jumping from plan to plan is because generally speaking you had to have insurance ... from someone.
Healthcare is moving in that direction, so it is possible that this will occur -- as the plan is improved:
  1. expand Medicare eligibility each year (lower age requirement, add children ...)
  2. delink healthcare from employment benefits so that everyone gets the healthcare they want rather than what employer provides (no more Hobby Lobby hypocrisy problem)
  3. universal single payer system option (buy into medicare option)

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Message 268 of 313 (723611)
04-04-2014 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 267 by AZPaul3
04-03-2014 7:45 PM


Re: Due When? Why?
If you make over $500K a year every dollar over should be taxed at 50%. And we go up from there. At $10 mil you fork over 80%. Same for corporate taxes, different amounts, of course, but the same principle. And we can finally do what should have been done decades ago and end this heretical, blasphemous policy of not taxing churches.
Those who benefit from the socio-economic environment that the US provides should pay to support it. Those that benefit the most should pay the most to ensure it keeps providing the socio-economic environment that they benefit from.
Simple.

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Message 286 of 313 (807586)
05-04-2017 7:18 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by Taq
05-03-2017 11:36 AM


Perhaps you could go to a widely known news organization, pick out 2 or 3 stories from a single day, and show how they are false. Otherwise, I can only conclude that you are blowing smoke.
The problem with main-stream media as I see it involves what is not reported -- and the use of distraction with infotainment rather than things worthy of news. It's distraction from the real stories.
When they report on protests they focus on violent incidents rather than the much larger body of peaceful protesters and their message.
Then there are the stories that just don't make it to national coverage, like the #NoDAPL protests.
But hey let's hear more about Kardashians ...
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Message 288 of 313 (808208)
05-09-2017 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 287 by Taq
05-08-2017 3:40 PM


They also don't report on the hundreds of millions of people who don't commit murder every day. I guess I don't sit around and wonder why that is.
Yet the Bundy occupation of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters had no end of coverage.
The point being that the news is biased in what it covers. What it chooses to cover and how they choose to cover stories present a false picture that is every much a lie of omission.
Right wing reactionary anti-government protests okay.
Left wing progressive anti-corporation protests not okay.
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