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AZPaul3
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Message 248 of 313 (723497)
04-02-2014 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by RAZD
04-02-2014 8:05 AM


Re: as of March 31st ...
GOP alternate reality machine is saying that the White House is "cooking the books"
Clear, non-partisan, objective inquiry ...
Do we know for a fact that they haven't?
How do we know?
Do we trust that source? Why?
We all want this to succeed. They tell us it succeeded. We are happy. We have heard what we wanted to hear.
Do we look no deeper to see that this is in fact the case?

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Message 251 of 313 (723505)
04-03-2014 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by Dr Adequate
04-03-2014 12:38 AM


Add a little wine ...
Has anyone but one small office at HHS seen the state data? Does this contractor actually run the federal site? And of the hundreds of insurance companies involved has anyone independently aggregated their data to compare to HHS?
There has been no independent corroboration. If we can be fooled in something so stark as the body count in war this insurance stuff is a piece of pie to fudge.
We would like, and mostly do, think the HHS data is accurate. But we do not actually know. I think it would be politically wise to close that door with an OMB audit before November.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Message 252 of 313 (723506)
04-03-2014 7:39 AM


Due When? Why?
This may not seem to be in any way related to the OP or FOX News but it actually is. Those of you who cannot see the connection will just have to take my (trustworthy) word that this is, in fact, directly linked to the original topic of this thread.
Why is there this short sign-up period requirement for health insurance? Why are changes to the policy not allowed except in the case of "life changing" events?
If I want any other insurance (auto, life, homeowners, rental, etc.) all I need do is call the company and say I want some and they say OK you're covered as of today. If I call and say raise this coverage and lower that coverage just because I want it they say OK it's effective as of today.
Why is ObamaCare not open to enrollment 24/7/365? What is this enrollment period restriction carpola all about?

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Message 257 of 313 (723529)
04-03-2014 1:15 PM
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04-03-2014 9:23 AM


Re: Due When? Why?
not a feature of just ACA, it is part of all group health insurance.
Understood. I go through the same thing every year with my workplace insurance.
Primarily, people would wait until they got sick or needed an expensive procedure before they got sick.
Under the old business model I can see that, but this new model requires all people to have some minimum coverage as a matter of law, there are no more "pre-existing" clauses allowed, and the carriers are required by law to take on all comers, so this reason seems moot.
Also, there are underwriting and actuarial issues.
Yes. The same issues as with all other kinds of insurance which get along just fine without this enrollment restriction.
Without an open enrollment, people could jump around and in and out of plans all year long.
Which people won't do that often especially since the minimum requirements are the same company to company per ACA. There is no incentive to jump company to company except for price, and that is the marketplace and is a good thing.
the biggest reason for us was to make sure we got accurate and up to date demographic and other info from each person covered.
So how can the car/home/life insurance companies, which require and collect the same accurate demographic data for their actuaries, do their business very successfully without such an enrollment restriction?
I'm glad you have that connection to the business because under this new business model I see no economic justification for continuing a restrictive enrollment period. I'm missing something.
Edited by AZPaul3, : cuz

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AZPaul3
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Message 259 of 313 (723531)
04-03-2014 1:49 PM
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04-03-2014 1:41 PM


Re: Due When? Why?
But aren't all required to carry the insurance?
Except those willing to pay the fine. Which may be to their economic benefit until they get sick.
OK, I can see this.
Still, RAZD has the best idea.
Thanx, PaulK.

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Message 267 of 313 (723591)
04-03-2014 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by petrophysics1
04-03-2014 1:53 PM


Re: Due When? Why?
I can tell you were one of the "bright" ones that voted for Obama.
Yep. Twice. And I am so bright that the light often keeps me awake at night. One of those bothers I must suffer for being brilliant. Another such bother is having to deal with those who's critical thinking skills are a bit shallow.
This "shared responsibility payment" is no secret. If someone doesn't know about it by now then they are not paying attention to the universe around them and people like that are always getting into fixes, accidents and trouble and really need the insurance.
The fee is of no bother. What the law should have done was make that annual amount a monthly amount. Now that would get some attention.
As long as we're talking about what the law should have done, it should have made medical care available to everyone, citizen, visitor, green card or illegal and at no cost to the individual at the time of service.
We, the good ol' US of A, should declare before the entire world that access to effective medical care is not just a constitutional right but a Human Right required to be provided by collective humanity.
Oooo, that would be expensive. How do we pay for it?
Confiscatory taxes. Yes, that's right, confiscatory. If you don't know what that means look it up. If you do know what that means then commence cringing.
If you make over $500K a year every dollar over should be taxed at 50%. And we go up from there. At $10 mil you fork over 80%. Same for corporate taxes, different amounts, of course, but the same principle. And we can finally do what should have been done decades ago and end this heretical, blasphemous policy of not taxing churches.
I hope that completes my picture for you.

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AZPaul3
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Message 272 of 313 (728866)
06-03-2014 8:25 PM
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06-03-2014 6:26 PM


It is funny, but is it real or a photoshop?

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