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Author Topic:   Book "The Evolution of Genesis"
Charles Munroe
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Message 1 of 27 (723832)
04-09-2014 5:32 PM


The book "The Evolution of Genesis" is available on Amazon and Kindle and uses the text of the Bible to refute creationist claims.
Examples:
Genesis chapters 7 & 8 offer evidence that the Flood of Noah was not worldwide. The book then offers a number of simple experiments that demonstrate that the flood could not have been world wide.
The first four verses of Genesis, if properly translated, describe the conditions at the moment of the Big Bang that are in agreement with science.
The fifth verse describes how the author measures time and it is not in 24 hour days but eons.
Chapters 1 & 2 of Genesis describe evolution in the only terms the author has at his disposal. Adam's rib is still missing in the human male and the "flaming sword of Genesis 3:24 still exists, if one knows where to look.
The book also explains a number of miracles and shows that the Bible itself states that the Shroud of Turin is a fake.

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Charles Munroe
Member (Idle past 3635 days)
Posts: 40
From: Simi Valley, CA USA
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Message 3 of 27 (723884)
04-10-2014 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by arachnophilia
04-09-2014 10:22 PM


Suggest you read a book before you assume you know what it and it's author are about. I am definitely not a creationist.
The rib that I mention is not found in the human rib cage but in association with the 'flaming sword'; they are both found in the human genome. Genesis chapter 2 can be regarded as a crude description of a genetic event that took place some 2 1/2 billion years ago. By the way I use the Torah in English and Hebrew and the Anchor Bible Genesis as source material not the King James Bible that is loaded with mistranslations.
Ask you library to get a copy of the book, read it and then make your comment based on reality and not your fantasy.

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Charles Munroe
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From: Simi Valley, CA USA
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Message 5 of 27 (723889)
04-10-2014 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Diomedes
04-10-2014 4:31 PM


The problem seems to be that all of you are using the King James Bible as a reference. It is loaded with translation errors, try the Torah in English for the proper translation of the first two verses or better yet the Book of Genesis of the Anchor Bible series.
The correct translation is :
1- When God set about to create the heaven and the earth.
2- The world then being a formless waste, with darkness over the seas and only an awesome wind sweeping over the water.
Although the universe was extremely hot at the moment of the Big Bang darkness prevailed as light could not yet escape. Formless waste is how the author describes the nascent universe when the extreme temperature prevented atoms from forming. The water is the authors way of describing the swirling gases that form as the universe cools and atoms can finally form. The awesome wind is the rapidly expanding universe. Then God caused the light to be separated from darkness at 380,000 years after the Big Bang during the epoch of recombination.
Keep in mind that the ancient author is handicapped by a lack of understanding of what is occurring and not having the proper words to describe the events in terms that would be readily understood today. Hope this helps.

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Charles Munroe
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From: Simi Valley, CA USA
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Message 11 of 27 (723992)
04-11-2014 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by arachnophilia
04-09-2014 10:22 PM


The purpose of the book "The Evolution of Genesis" is to take the Biblical stories out of the realm of mythology that a literal reading would suggest. It is intended to facilitate creationists acceptance of evolution. Evolution can be interpreted as merely the recipe that the "Intelligent Designer" followed in bringing all into existence.
I use E.A. Speicer's translation of the Book of Genesis. Speicer received his PhD. from Dropsie College, what is now know as the Center for Advanced Judaic Studies. If you have a disagreement with his translation I suggest you obtain a copy of Genesis from the Anchor Bible Series now published by the Yale University Press.
As for my religious views - they definitely have absolutely nothing what so ever to do with creationism in any of its forms. I consider creationism to be an insult to both religions, science and commonsense. Enough said??

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Charles Munroe
Member (Idle past 3635 days)
Posts: 40
From: Simi Valley, CA USA
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Message 15 of 27 (724054)
04-11-2014 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by New Cat's Eye
04-11-2014 1:32 PM


Terrible thing to do? What is terrible about attempting to put an end to a needless controversy. Creationism fosters ignorance and a bigoted world view. It has blocked the teaching of real science in many locations in this country and if we expect to maintain our scientific and technical edge we need people that are 21st century thinkers not scientific illiterates from the 11th century. A recent survey found that 25% of the people surveyed couldn't correctly answer the question "Is it the sun that orbits the earth or the earth that orbits the sun." That is my definition of terrible. What is your; more mythology?

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Charles Munroe
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From: Simi Valley, CA USA
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Message 18 of 27 (724102)
04-12-2014 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Charles Munroe
04-11-2014 8:36 PM


It has been tried, throwing out the Bible, and it doesn't resonate with the 46% that believe in creationism. Critical thinking is in short supply in this country. The best approach is to allow the 46% to have their Bible and accept evolution . Not the best solution perhaps but the only one that has much of a chance of success.

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Charles Munroe
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Posts: 40
From: Simi Valley, CA USA
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Message 19 of 27 (724103)
04-12-2014 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Taq
04-11-2014 5:22 PM


Some stories in the Old Testament are breeding grounds for atheism. A God in the Passover story that torments and then kills people that have no power to release the Hebrew slaves; a God that drowns little children and infants to get rid of evil adults that he was responsible for creating by his massive screw up in the Garden of Eden. The atheist I have talked say these are examples of why they rejected the Bible; a God that acts like he is not quite all there. In my book I try to show that many events in the Bible are real but have been exaggerated by the author.
The ten plagues were brought on by the eruption of Santorin in 1628 BCE; a natural event that God had nothing to do with. Interestingly the Bible tells the time of year the event took place, April-May, Read your Bible and see if you can spot the clues.
Did God murder the first born of the Passover story? Most likely it was disease caused by rotting carcasses. If the events are carefully analyzed it could also suggest a mass poisoning arranged by Moses. I prefer the former.
Did God drown all of humanity in a worldwide flood? The Bible say no. Read Genesis 7:21, 7:24 and 8:11 and then ask what would the condition of the olive tree after five or more months submerged in water. Any arborist will inform you that the tree would be dead and leafless.
Want to understand the Bible? Then learn to approach it like a detective. Gather evidence and let the evidence lead you to a conclusion rather than accepting literally what the author says. The author is a human in an age of gross ignorance of the natural world.

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Charles Munroe
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Posts: 40
From: Simi Valley, CA USA
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Message 22 of 27 (724204)
04-14-2014 3:21 PM


Suggest you take your complaint to the people that wrote the Torah in English and the late renowned translator E.A. Speiser. Both are recognized as authorities of the ancient Hebrew language.

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Charles Munroe
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Posts: 40
From: Simi Valley, CA USA
Joined: 09-07-2003


Message 24 of 27 (724215)
04-14-2014 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Pressie
04-14-2014 6:15 AM


Suggest you take your complaint to the people that wrote the Torah in English and the late renowned translator E.A. Speiser. Both are recognized as authorities of the ancient Hebrew language.
while you are at it check the batteries in your crystal ball as they appear to need replacement.

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