Why is evolution so controversial?

Hi Percy, I wish we could find a better example of something that would falsify evolution. I agree that finding the remains of a modern animal in those ancient layers would be pretty sensational and would make us question our understanding of paleontology and certainly require a revision of our current theory.To me, a better example of a discovery that would falsify the Theory of Evolution would be organisms that do not fit in the nested hierarchy that we see for all life on this planet.A mammal with wings that are a third set of appendages and not modified front limbs like a bat posses.Greek mythology was full of animals that would do nicely to falsify the ToE. Winged horses would work doubly well. A quadruped with wings and a mammal with feathers, perfect.Millions of species of living organisms have been cataloged so far on the earth, plus huge numbers of extinct species, and yet, not a single one has been found that does not fit into the nested hierarchy.about Faith: Your descriptions of Faith have been spot on. The arrogance of her ignorance is amazing. I am willing to bet that only an insignificant percentage of he 14000+ posts at EvC do not contain insults to anyone or any idea she disagrees with. Every discussion she participates in inevitably includes her protests that she is unfairly characterized, a classic martyr complex. And then she's off in a huff.I often use her as an example of the dangers of self righteous ignorance, religious fanaticism and narcissism to my grandchildren. They find her quite entertaining.

I remember watching a video of Cameron and his crocoduck years ago. I can still feel the intense embarrassment I felt for him. I have always been mystified that people will make fools of themselves so publicly. It just is not that hard to find out what the ToE really is, but instead they protest against a caricature that has no resemblance to the theory at all.Cameron shows himself to be a gullible dupe and embarrassingly he will probably never even realize it. I wonder what ever happened to him.

I do remember that there were some surprises when the DNA comparisons of families in Class Aves (birds) were completed. For example, if I remember correctly, Old World Vultures and New World Vultures were not closely related. Old World Vultures and Storks were related and New World Vultures and birds of prey were related.Once DNA relationships were established, other taxonomic characters (morphology, embryology, behavior, etc.) were understood in a new light.I have been involved in a number of studies using genetic comparisons of dragonflies at finer resolution, families, genera and species. It is an amazing tool. I'm not so sure the theory would be in trouble. The theory clearly works for DNA based organisms and also for all the fossils found so far.I think it is more likely that we would develop a separate Theory of Evolution for XYZ life. This is what we will do when we discover extraterrestrial life.

If the earth is only 6000 years old, cow skeletons in those lower strata should be pretty easy to find, but we haven't. If her scenario was correct all the fossils in the world would be a jumbled, totally mixed mess. There would be no layering. Maybe we should have a thread where we list all the things we can think of that could falsify the ToE.The deck actually is stacked. It's stacked with all the evidence that confirms the ToE. That overwhelming stack of evidence does completely falsify Faith's arguments in genetics, evolution, geology, and the flood.Every single argument she has ever made in the science discussions has been flattened by the stacked deck of evidence. Never once has she presented a valid piece of evidence or demonstrated an understanding of a scientific subject.

And she says it all in a tone that implies everyone else are complete idiots for not immediately bowing down and praising her insightful logic and knowledge.She would have more credibility if she told us that god and satan had a wager and satan had created the earth to look 4.5 billion years old just to test our faith in god.

Have you ever looked at a globe of the earth? There is this huge area that we call the Pacific Ocean. Sediment is being deposited there in an area that is many times the size of the Kaibab, in square miles. Over millions of years those sediments will become layered strata. Good grief! Anyone can see anyone can see that sediment is not accumulating there now because it is in a region that is being eroded. Sedimentation stopped when it was no longer under a sea, millions of years ago. Your silly flood model has been refuted dozens of times in the Grand Canyon thread.All the evidence, every single every grain of sand every rock, every fossil sorted neatly into layers, refutes a global flood.You have been told hundreds of times that the kinds of evidence that a global flood would leave cannot be seen anywhere on the planet.You just keep making stuff up and act as if you expect us to suddenly start believing you. Give it up. There was no flood. The evidence is conclusive that it is a silly story from an old book and by the time you have grown up you should know it is no more true than Santa Claus.

Well, we all know that you are our resident expert when it comes to bullshit. Luckily I have my trusty bullshit meter and the needle is pointed directly at you. This has all been explained to you hundreds of times, but you still cannot understand it. The evidence clearly supports our theory. Your pathetic repetitious flood fairy tale does not have a shred of evidence. We all know you are an expert on crazy too. Evolution, baby! They show evolution and macroevolution. The fossils show it and you can't explain it. I don't remember that I tolod you anything, but I will tell you one thing, you are a fantastic liar. It is convenient for all the people that live there now. It stopped because it is not under the sea anymore. Sheesh, pay attention. The layers that are under the sea now are readily evidenced by core samples that are routinely taken during exploration for oil and other minerals. We have a number of geologists at EvC who have talked about this. OK, the reality is that no global flood happened, the bible is a myth, your story is pure bullshit fantasy, you do not know anything about Geology*, and all caps make you look stupid.* In over 14,000 posts here you have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you do not know anything about any science.

And once again you demonstrate how ignorant you are about Geology. You clearly don't have a clue what the geological column is.The sediments are forming at exactly the scale of the Geological Column. As long as organisms are dying in the ocean and sinking and material is being eroded from the continents the sedimentary layers will slowly continue to build up millimeter by millimeter for millions of years. The lower layers will slowly be compacted by heat and pressure and become rock, embedding the remains of some dead animals as they become fossils.That's what is happening now. That is what has been happening for more than 3 billion years. That is what will continue to happen for a long time into the future.The Geological Column is continuing to form even as we speak right now at exactly the same Geological Scale as it has since the earth cooled enough to have oceans and life started evolving.Face it Faith, your silly theory has hundreds of flaws in it. They have been pointed out to you thousands of times. There was no flood.Yo are just a sore loser. Your myth has been dead for 200 years.

That is a good description of your flood fantasy. No evidence Faith, no evidence.

Gosh, when you refuse to look what do you expect? You have never read and have said you will never read a scientific paper. And then you whine that you can't find the information.If you want to find out something you need to read the fucking papers.

We all say you don't know shit about Geology. Tens of thousands of Geologists say you don't know anything about geology.Everything that you have written at EvC says you don't know anything about Geology, in spades.The fact that you are trying to defend a childish flood myth, that was disproved 200 years ago, with a hodgepodge of ridiculous assertions demonstrates that you don't have a clue about Geology. 12 years here and you still can't figure out what's wrong.Delusional fantasies and lies will never convince anyone Faith.

Na, Geology disagrees with you about everything.And I like it. I love it when I can tell people who are wrong, that they wrong.Evidence and reality are the party line.You keep saying you're crazy and we keep saying, "We know!"

Maybe you are right.I assumed that the limestones and shales were from an ocean deposition and I thought the sandstones were from deposition closer to continental shelf. Obviously, the crossbedded sanddune deposits were deposited when it was dry land.Can you tell me what the depositional environment was? It seems to me that deposition happening in the present in the Pacific cannot be described as here and there or paltry on a timescale of millions of years.thanks.