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Message 19 of 38 (725023)
04-23-2014 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Ben!
04-23-2014 9:42 AM

Re: Illogical use of logic?
Sorry if I was unclear, but my main focus is not about discussion here, but more generally about what we expect / demand from others in how decisions are made in our lives.

What we do here doesn't work very well in real life. Story time:

Many years ago, before I got my FOID card, I walked into a gun store to take a look. The guy behind the counter was showing me some different models, and then he asked me if I had my FOID card. I told him that I didn't have one. He got irritated and began to lecture me about how it was illegal for me to even touch a bullet without a FOID card. I told him that sounded unreasonable and that I didn't believe it. He got angry and accused me of calling him a liar. I told him that I thought that he simply misunderstood the legislation and that since we didn't have it in front of us to read, then I was going to reserve taking his word for it and maintain my position that his was in error in some way. He called me a smart ass and then I told him to fuck off and then I left his store with him yelling at me on the way out.

So I go home and look up the legislation and it lists all this things that you cannot do without a FOID card, including handling ammunition, but then it ends with "unless under the direct supervision of someone with a FOID card". So I was right, it was perfectly legal for me to stand there and handle guns and ammunition because I was under his supervision. But I never went back to run it in.

Anyways, had that been an online discussion instead of a real life one, then I could have looked up the legislation before I responded to him and pointed out where he was in error and that would have been that. But since I couldn't, it didn't work out so well.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 28 of 38 (725099)
04-24-2014 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Ben!
04-24-2014 9:53 AM

Re: Conspiracy Theory and Validation
I wasn't suggesting they can control minds generally, but there are lots of effects that could be dealt with this way (like, reducing motivation, suppressing responsiveness to improper acts, etc).


I think it's interesting the two drugs that are legal - alcohol and cigarettes, two drugs that do absolutely nothing for you at all - are legal, and the drugs that might open your mind up to realise how you're being fucked every day of your life? Those drugs are against the law. Coincidence? See, I'm glad mushrooms are against the law, cos I took 'em one time, you know what happened to me? I laid in a field of green grass for four hours, going, 'My God, I love everything.' Yeah, now if that isn't a hazard to our countries...How are we gonna justify arms dealing if we know we're all one?
-Bill Hicks


If we found out that a government agency allowed particular chemicals to be used to treat plants/foods, despite knowing that they have such suppressive effects, ... I wouldn't be totally surprised.

Here in St. Louis, the U.S. military secretly sprayed poor black people with radioactive aerosols from the rooftops to see how a potential weapon might affect people.

Here's a news article.

Here's a link to the paper

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Message 37 of 38 (725313)
04-25-2014 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Ben!
04-25-2014 4:00 PM

Re: Illogical use of logic?
In general, I guess you have to study the psychology of your audience.

Yes, exactly! I feel like we (people focused on science and empiricism) have really failed to do this,

Well, you know, science and empiricism geeks do tend to be socially awkward.

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